To refuse to have a corona vaccine?

[EasyPleasey]

A lot of people seem to be waiting for a corona vaccine. However I just dont trust any vaccine 'rushed' out, especially after all the mistakes made so far in this crisis. I would rather catch the actual virus and take my chances, as for most people it is a mild illness but who knows what the vaccine may do.

I know quite a few other people who say they will refuse any vaccine for this. I have had all the other vaccines, as have my children.

AIBU?

@BillywilliamV then get off MN and get back to work making a vaccine. No time to be a keyboard warrior! Some of us want a vaccine and the others want to shame us for it.

Any of you can have my vaccine to, i'm not having it.

@HeyBlaby
I thought that was obvious!
Brits drink more than most countries in Europe. I am not saying you should become teetotal, that would make more harm. But!

• reduce alcohol intake,
• reduce sweets, snacks, junk food
• increase fluid intake (water, juice...etc)
• increase exercise level
• take vitamin supplements
• increase fruit / veg / healthy alternatives
• have a biorythm

Yes, we should boost our immune system. This is an unstable virus! the best treatment is our own improved defence system. Everyone can make theirs better.

I hope there is a 'contagion style' approach to vaccination

Boris n Dom can go 1st then

The stages a 'rushed' vaccine will have skipped will most likely be the early ones - the majority of the analytical method development, animal testing for safety etc. which become redundant to a large extent when clinical data becomes available as its more precise and relevant to humans who are the target recipient. It will still need e.g. stability and sterility testing to get into mass manufacturing etc. As long as they do the relevant stage clinical safety trials that's the most crucial parts. Ultimately it depends what stages it's skipped and what testing has actually been done whether it will be passed for release. There's loads of trials in the pipeline, I know of just one company with 38 trials on the go, be lucky if 1 makes it.

Why should we care what you do?

@letitgolego that’s truly vile. NOBODY should be forced into any medical treatment or procedure without their consent. It’s completely unethical and wrong and the government would struggle to find many healthcare professionals willing to play a part in this.

I would volunteer to have the test vaccine if I was asked and will definitely have the vaccine when it is available to me. At my age late 50’s I would rather have it early so that if necessary, lessons can be learned before my children and grandchild get offered it. I have taken part in a clinical trial before, obviously not for Covid though.

This is a flu-like virus. Just like any flu vaccine, they are at least a year out of season.

It is not a flu like virus. It is very different in structure and tendency to mutate . It just causes similar symptoms. That doesn't make it similar in how it will react to vaccines.

Why don’t you become a research scientist, or a doctor, you seem to think you could do a better job. What do you do for a living, by the way?

Another reason vaccines take ages to develop is that they have to wait until the volunteers are exposed to the virus in question . I think the WHO has recently agreed in principle that researchers can infect people with Covid to speed things up.

Since so many people be they will be fine if they catch it and they are desperate to get on with normal.life. I imagine they won't have any trouble getting people to agree to that

I think it will happy in order of priority anyway so even when they start rolling it out it coupd take months to vaccinate everyone. I will be rushing to get mine. Life wins every time.

Are you vulnerable, elderly or a key worker in NHS/carehome, if not I doubt there will be enough vaccine if they rush one out so I shouldn’t worry OP about having it unless you are in one of the above groups as they will concentrate on them first

Boogieshoes, there are companies doing clinical trials and people work for them. Is that a surprise? What edifying and ethical line of work are you in?

*I thought that was obvious!
Brits drink more than most countries in Europe. I am not saying you should become teetotal, that would make more harm. *
Where do you get that nonsense from

Try the Declaration of Helsinki, produced after the Nazi Death Camps in WW2. Google it! You really cant force anyone to take part in a clinical trial.

@Boogieshoesss

I am in no way saying force anyone into any medical treatment they don't want. I specifically said you can choose not to have it but the consequences of that choice would be that you have to remain in lockdown until you can prove immunity through vaccination or having caught in and developing antibodies so as not to put anyone else at risk.

This is not an uncommon thing. In Australia you have to provide proof of vaccination in order to access state school. Pretty much every kennel/cattery I know of requires certificates of vaccination before taking in pets. It's part of living in a society. If you want the benefits, free schooling, movements, access to healthcare ect, you have to do your part to contribute to it make it safe such as paying taxes, and in this case being vaccinated if you medically can.

There are already foreign countries and institutions you can not enter without certain vaccines, if you won't have the vaccine you simply can't go. This is the same thing, If you want to go out and resume normal life you have to have the vaccine for the sake of public health.

@letitgolego so blackmailing people into treatment by threatening to take away their rights is ok is it?

@BillywilliamV senior nurse at a hospital

@boogiesshoesss

If there were a widespread roll out of the vaccine, I think it probably is justified to take away rights in this case because in refusing treatment, you’d be putting other people’s lives at risk. Not everyone will be able to have the vaccine and will need to be protected by herd immunity.

I don’t think it would happen but I don’t think those who want to sit back and let others be the guinea pigs while taking full advantage of the herd immunity those less selfish have provided would have any right to complain if it did.

Up to you. You may find you are unable to get on a plane without it though.

Whatever happened to bodily autonomy? ‘My body my choice’ shouldn’t just apply to abortions, it applies to all medical related things.

@Boogieshoesss

If someone doesn't get vaccinated, infects someone and they die they have taken away their right to life, which I think most people would agree, is a much more important right.

Also all out right to freedom has been taken away right now In the interest of public safety. This is just the same thing continued for the people who makes a CHOICE which negatively impacts public safety.

If someone doesn't get vaccinated, infects someone and they die they have taken away their right to life, which I think most people would agree, is a much more important right
Are you anti-abortion? That’s life

You may find you are unable to get on a plane without it though

I strongly suspect being unvaccinated may prevent people from doing a number of things in the future.