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To go to Whitby beach tomorrow

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BubblyBarbara · 12/05/2020 18:31

I’ve gone to Whitby every year for the past decade or so and I’m missing it dearly. I’ve read Boris’s PDF and it says you are allowed to drive any distance to “open space” from tomorrow so my plan is to go to Whitby and spend the day on the beach - social distancing of course.

But I did a search on Facebook about car parks etc (it’s ok the parking inspectors are furloughed so I can park anywhere I like) and found lots of angry posts on local groups about how the people of Whitby don’t want people coming into their town yet Confused

It’s legal for me to go tomorrow but the locals don’t want us to go.. who is BU here? I say the law is more important than what the locals say.

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TheMotherofAllDilemmas · 13/05/2020 18:01

OK you may live in lovely places but you’ve absolutely no right to tell people not to come to the county you live in when the Government say different.

This is what Coniston Mountain Rescue posted in Facebook today, it is not about being precious about our lovely areas but about not wasting resources and making the locals and their rescuers ill or risk being left stranded without any help because there is no one available to help you, by the way, your Governmebt didn’t inform them they were going to be easing the lockdown, didn’t give them any time to prepare or any resources to deal with the increased influx of people.

Hello All,

Hopefully you’re all managing to stay safe and healthy through the Covid-19 pandemic.

We know that many of you will be desperate to get back on the fells and trails, and to get your Lake District “fix”. The relaxation of the Coronavirus lockdown may have been music to your ears, when the Prime Minister stated that it is now Ok to drive any distance to take your exercise. This came as a total surprise to us as a Mountain Rescue Team (MRT), Cumbria Police, Cumbria Tourist Board, The Lake District National Park and also The National Trust. Simply, the Lake District is NOT ready for a large influx of visitors. The hospitality sector remains closed, some car parks may be re-opening, along with some toilet facilities, but this is an enforced opening due to this announcement to cater for those that do decide to come, rather than an invitation.
Why are we, Coniston Mountain Rescue Team, so concerned about the relaxation of the travel to exercise rules? Maybe if we talk you through what happens it may explain why we’re worried.

Firstly, we are all volunteers – most of us have day jobs from which we take time off to deal with incidents during work hours, or time out of the rest of our lives “out of hours”, and secondly most of us have families who we need to protect.

How a rescue might play out during the Covid-19 pandemic:-

  1. Paul and Sarah came up from Preston, and have summited the Old Man of Coniston, had their lunch and set off down towards Goats Water.
  2. Paul slips and hears a crack from his left ankle, Sarah tries to help, but Paul can’t put weight on his ankle which is at a funny angle anyway. Paul is 15 stone and 6ft 2 tall. Sarah is fit but no way could she help Paul back down.
  3. Sarah dials 999, remembers to ask for Police and then Mountain Rescue, the operator takes the details and asks a lot of questions to assess the Covid-19 risk posed by both Paul & Sarah to the MRT, and subsequently to Ambulance and medical staff that will need to treat Paul.
  4. In the meantime, four groups of people come by, they all say they’d love to help but haven’t got any Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) and must socially distance themselves by at least 2 metres.
  5. The Police alert Coniston MRT to the incident via SARCALL, and the Duty Team Leader (TL) calls Sarah, having sent her a link by text for her to click on to confirm their exact position, and asks more questions, to work out the resources needed.
  6. The TL then calls other members of the Leader Group to discuss the requirements and decides a 10 member group is required on the hill, and alerts the Team to that requirement.
  7. The Team numbers are depleted anyway, we have a number of people who contribute massively to the Team generally but are over 70 years old, i.e. higher risk group, we have people who may be shielding a family member, or at risk themselves due to underlying medical conditions that normally wouldn’t be an issue. So a team of 10 assemble at the MRT base, plus someone to run the base – this person is important as it helps with coordination of other services letting the hill party get on with the job.
  8. All members are briefed regarding the incident, and check all are happy with the unknown invisible risk posed by the incident; the risk of walking up the fell is taken as read and a baseline anyway. All PPE is checked.
  9. Team members climb aboard two of the Team’s three vehicles. Why only two when social distancing could be better in 3 vehicles? The need to decontaminate the vehicles on return probably outweighs the advantage of social distancing, and it leaves another vehicle able to respond to any other incidents.
10. Normally the Team would mobilise within 10-15 minutes of this type of call, due to all the pre-checks, personnel checks etc., time elapsed thus far is 45 minutes. 11. The vehicles arrive at the road head, one last check on PPE and kit for the incident, including radios, and the Team sets off for the casualty site. Walking time to site is around 45-60 minutes. 12. The Team can’t call on the Air Ambulance for support as they're off-line for this type of incident due to staff being redeployed elsewhere in the NHS or due to other priorities and risk factors so cannot support. Similar with Coastguard Helicopters... 13. On site, one casualty carer and one assistant will approach the casualty with as much PPE on as possible, and may well apply PPE to the patient before carrying out a full primary survey, in this case that’s simple, Paul’s ankle is (probably) broken, and there are no other underlying medical factors like a head injury, multiple other injuries or catastrophic bleeding. 14. The casualty carer and helper would normally give Paul some Entonox (pain killing gas) while they straighten his ankle to ensure a pulse at the foot and also maybe a pain killing injection. The injection takes 15 mins or so to work, but Entonox is not given because of the potential risk of contamination. However, the foot needs straightening ASAP to restore the pulse in Paul’s foot. Paul screams as the casualty carer re-aligns the foot (it’s called reducing the injury) to restore circulation and allow for splinting. 15. Paul’s ankle is splinted and although he’s still in pain, it’s less than it was and the painkilling injection is starting to take effect. Time elapsed since Paul fell is now 2 hours 15 mins. 16. The Team moves in and helps Paul on to the stretcher, the stretcher is made of stainless steel and heavy, it is about 2.5 metres long and maybe 0.6 metre wide, usually it takes 8 people to carry a loaded stretcher, they cannot socially distance. 17. The Team carries Paul down to the Walna Scar road, where they’ve asked a North West Ambulance Service land ambulance to meet them to reduce potential contamination at base. The carry down has taken 2 hours, so now it’s 4 hrs 15 since Paul fell. Paul is transferred to the Ambulance and taken to Furness General Hospital. Sarah can’t drive, but can’t go in the Ambulance either. How can the Team get Sarah re-united with Paul and then how do they both get home to Preston when Paul is fixed? What happens to their car? In normal circumstances we can fix these issues, not so easy in the Covid-19 pandemic. 18. The Team returns to base and starts to decontaminate the stretcher, the vehicles, the non-disposable medical equipment, the splint and themselves. Jackets and other clothing are all bagged ready to go in their washing machines when they get home, which takes a further 1 hour 15 minutes. Total time elapsed 5hrs 30 minutes. Total man hours 10 folk on the hill plus 1 running base = 60.5 man hours. 19. Paul is admitted to Furness General Hospital after a wait of 1 hour at A&E. He is taken to cubicles and X Rayed to understand his ankle injury better. He is also routinely tested for Covid-19. Paul’s ankle needs an operation to pin it as the break is a bad one. 20. Paul’s Covid-19 test comes back positive. Oh dear! Paul is asymptomatic, he has the virus but is either naturally immune or has not yet developed symptoms. The message is passed back to Coniston MRT, who then have to check the records of those on the incident. Every one of them, the ten people on the incident and the base controller, must now self isolate and so must their families, so now we have maybe 35 people all having to self-isolate. Plus possibly the Ambulance crew and their families. 21. Three days later Eric from Essex decides he wants to come to Coniston to do the 7 Wainwrights in the Coniston Fells. He sets off, and completes Dow Crag, the Old Man, Brim Fell along to Swirl How and Great Carrs and across to Grey Friar, then on up to Wetherlam. Eric puts his foot down on a rock, the rock moves and Eric is in a heap on the floor, his foot is at a funny angle...he gets his phone out and dials for Mountain Rescue... but there are only three people available from the Coniston Team now, so the decision needs to be taken by the Coniston MRT duty leader which Team to call to support, Neighbouring Teams are Langdale-Ambleside and Duddon & Furness MRT’s. The issue is, they’re in the same situation as Coniston with people self-isolating due to potential contamination, or their members are keyworkers in the NHS and can’t deploy on MRT incidents. So – we’re asking you to think twice, even three times before you embark upon travelling to the Lake District for your exercise. The risk, however small, is real, and I write this as a MRT member for over 30 years with probably around 1000 incidents under my belt, I know, accidents happen.
Cabamba · 13/05/2020 18:02

It would be impossible to start the process of trying to 'normalise' a little, and get it right with everyone. There are people who are going out of business for lack of custom and people who are terrified of getting Covid-19 - how could you reconcile the two? It will be many a day, if ever before we can go anywhere safely again. By that I mean safely for people who are elderly or at risk, and of course even if they stay at home they may have the disease brought to them by relatives who are asymptomatic.
There is no easy answer to the problem, because if Covid stays with us and returns annually it will get the oldies each time and also those who move into the 'at risk' group as they slowly get the health problems even middle-age can bring.
Covid-19 can be seen as nature's way of insisting on humans becoming just another animal where survival of the fittest reigns, and human's medical brilliance in extending life unnaturally is brought to an end.

whostoletheeyeoutyourteddybear · 13/05/2020 18:03

@Knucklehead101 technically places are owned by the locals. Jesus christ. Secondly, to yourself and to OP. I live in a Scottish tourist town within a national park and I will tell you right now... Visitors are not welcome until we are out of COVID-19. Oh but we are also lucky up here as we are still under lockdown as we have a decent leader.

emmskie03 · 13/05/2020 18:03

You are allowed to do this and I don't think you are being unreasonable.

If you live in this area and are furious at the idea of others coming to the area then you are more than welcome to hop in the car and go elsewhere yourself. Perhaps those living in expensive properties near the beach might enjoy a stroll round an inner city area with very few amenities for a change in scene.

Just because you are lucky enough to live near an area/are able to buy in that area that is desirable doesn't make it yours and only yours. Nor does it mean you can only exercise there. If you are concerned about numbers then go elsewhere which is what i do!

NewNameGuy · 13/05/2020 18:03

Do it OP.
Take a packed lunch and hand wipes and try to spend some money locally

Shockers · 13/05/2020 18:04

My walk today (the same one I’ve been doing for weeks) was totally ruined by day trippers who couldn’t seem to get their tiny brains around the fact that we still need to stay away from one another. I came home angry.

Kravarza · 13/05/2020 18:04

Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Local people are better advisors on this than the government, who I think are playing with fire for laxing the rules a bit. When you give people an inch they take a yard. Ultimately it's your decision but it's also your health, alongside the health of your family. With a continual daily high death rate I wouldn't be going anywhere. I'm no conspiracist, but I get a strange feeling that we're being a bit guinea pigged - the government needs to see what happens to us when we start to go out. Second pandemic and all that. Stay away, it will still be there when this is over.

alipiggie · 13/05/2020 18:05

I love Whitby but it's really not the place you can easily social distance if, as many have commented above, everyone else decides they're stir crazy too. Residents deserve to have their space respected. I can tell you that states that have re-opened here in the USA have seen a dramatic increase in COVID-19 up to 1000% because everyone ran out at once. I love my family in Yorkshire too much for anything untoward to happen to them. Please re-consider

Furfockssake · 13/05/2020 18:09

It’s just decency. Why go. You’ve seen the sea before. Locals don’t want you there, not because they’re selfish, but because they’re scared. As you would be it 400 people descended on the street you live on. Walking up and down so you couldn’t leave your house. Surely people have some level of common sense in a global pandemic?

jakkijax · 13/05/2020 18:10

I live in whitby. We have no shops or loos open and a big sign up saying visitors not welcome. We are only a small place and dont want visitors making things worse.

yearinyearout · 13/05/2020 18:12

I love a beach, but I wouldn't be going to a beach like that, especially knowing the locals are going to be pissed off about it. As other PP suggested, why not find a more secluded beach away from a town? None of the facilities will be open anyway.

Ginfordinner · 13/05/2020 18:13

Are you on glue NewNameGuy? Where can the OP spend money if everywhere is closed?

ErrolTheDragon · 13/05/2020 18:13

Thanks for sharing the Coniston MR info, TheMotherOfAllDilemmas. Hopefully a few people will read it and have more sense.

Especially given that if you're in Preston there's plenty of pleasant walking - albeit flatter - much closer to home. (I'm not going to say where...if people CBA to look at a local map I don't want to accidentally start a 'flock' of sheepGrin)

justasking111 · 13/05/2020 18:13

The government have said go out and about. Ah but people say NIMBY, I suspect many will just be happy for the thought they can go mental health wise, does not mean they will all be hitting beaches, parks in one day.

Rache49 · 13/05/2020 18:15

Not a good idea, too many people will be thinking the same way and will descend on places that won't cope with the volume of people on too of their own concerns about Coronavirus. I long to go to my local Cathedral but it would mean using public transport for a journey that isn't really essential . I will wait till it is safe to do so.

Elel · 13/05/2020 18:16

The local MP has told visitors not to come. There won't be any facilities for you (how long can your bladder hold?) I thought the car parks were still closed? It's the spirit as well as the letter of the law that's important. The locals are definitley scared of being inundated. I'm a member of local groups as I have a caravan near Robin Hoods Bay. I will not be going, even for a day, any time soon - I'm 1 1/2 hours away. I don't know where you live but I guess you'd feel uncomfortable if lots of visitors turned up? I'm in a market town in North Yorkshire and am hoping lots of visitors don't come here.

maxybrown · 13/05/2020 18:17

We live about a 7 minute drive from a beach. Nice beach, quite large. But you know I still don't think we would go yet. If we did it would be evening for a walk. But I feel really like we shouldn't and we are locals. But already the traffic has picked up on our road and I know we are going to see lots of tourists.

I'm definitely missing friends and family more than the beach though!

MargotB7 · 13/05/2020 18:19

BubblyBarbara

Did you go?

Davygran · 13/05/2020 18:19

YABU, I live very close to beaches that we are expecting to be swamped. At the moment the rate of infection down here is low which is great because there is 1 hospital in over a 50 mile radius. What happens if people bring more infection here and our hospital can’t cope? Stay in your own town & be sensible, as an earlier poster wrote, the beaches will still be there when this is over.

justasking111 · 13/05/2020 18:20

My friend in Yorkshire lives on the moors, having the vapours because her village had people in it today eating sandwiches, drinking coke out of cans, bought from the local shop. They are outdoors, she is outdoors, just walk on by. She is healthy in her 50`s, her children on the other hand all live in London, now that would worry me.

Rache49 · 13/05/2020 18:20

Jakkijax am with you there . I can't imagine folk descending on Whitby just because they feel entitled. It's not fair when you have your own concerns about Coronavirus without the Hordes of Israel landing in Whitby. So folk, stay local, the beach will still be there when we all get back .

justasking111 · 13/05/2020 18:22

What in gods name are the hordes of israel??

OrangeSamphire · 13/05/2020 18:23

Wow that's a very compelling read @TheMotherofAllDilemmas. Surely even the biggest Covid-cavalier would think twice after reading that!

And everything in that communication applies to beaches too. There's no RNLI, and Coastguard rescues have soared in recent days.

sallyfox · 13/05/2020 18:24

Go to Whitby tomorrow, no matter what anyone says. Do what you want to do, within reason

Ginfordinner · 13/05/2020 18:25

BubblyBarbara Wed 13-May-20 01:17:05 On reflection I’ve decided not to go

Read the OP's updates MargotB7