People who aren’t quite getting it...

[MadameBee]

I wouldn’t comment IRL and am not part of the Stasi post on FB with “reported to police” written in capitals which I am quietly finding quite amusing.

But a few people are posting are posting stuff on SM with “and before you judge me XYZ”

Friend who posted last weekend “having a bonfire this afternoon so just letting all my neighbours on here no so you can shut your windows” erm - you aren’t supposed to be having bonfires because of the risk of added pressure on the emergency services if something goes wrong, everyone is cooped up inside and it’s foul and some of those people might be shielding because of impaired lung capacity.

Photos of children on a bouncy castle in the back yard, “before you judge me there was no contact and the guy cleaned it all” yes but the point is it’s not exactly an essential fucking journey is it?!

And the people moaning about traffic on the roads - erm you were there too but your reason is “justified” because you are a key worker? “The park/beach was so crowded” so I came home - BUT YOU WERE THERE TOO!!!!

I agree that the tips should reopen, our tip has recently been “done up” and redesigned, it would be very easy to dispose of rubbish safely.

What it so difficult about staying at home, to save lives?

Everything?

This is supposed to be about controlling the spread of the virus not about controlling people. Some people seem to have forgotten this. If you live in a rural area there is no logical reason why you shouldn't be able to go out and walk all day, if you live in an urban area you need to be more careful. My DD suggested that you count the people you pass and turn around for home when it gets to a certain number.
Our local council has banned bonfires at the moment which I think is a good thing as they are really antisocial in a built up area.
There is a lot of confusion between what is the law and what has been advised and some of the police seem more confused than anyone.

It’s advice it’s not law and it’s common sense

Ahh, this is such a problematic argument to advance.

'Common sense' is effectively the Rule of Man (as opposed to The Rule of Law) and raises all sorts of problems.

What is Common sense?
Who gets to decide?
From where does that person get their legitimacy?
etc...

We have a very long held tradition of the Rule of Law because anything else is just too uncertain and can lead to situations in which tyranny can prevail - you don't have to go too far back in history to see this in action.

People need to stick to the law, and everyone else (yes, you OP) needs to wind their necks in.

@1984in2019

I disagree with the OP and I think the effect of mental health, children's education, non-covid related medical issues, threat to jobs livelihoods and homes underpinning this situation is either too difficult for people to understand or they are selfishly acknowledging and accepting the risks, despite the fact that it is the worst off in society that will likely suffer (and die in many cases) by them, possibly unknowingly, screaming for continuous lockdown and pulling fantasy rules out of their arseholes.

It would be fairer if the people not sticking to lockdown rules were the only ones to directly run the risk of getting ill, but alas it’s not the case.

Why the fuck do you think that is?? Is it so hard for you to comprehend that for many, many people, the threat of a virus is way down on the list of things directly affecting them? It doesn't matter how many people want to call it deadly. It's not deadly for the vast majority of people.

What it so difficult about staying at home, to save lives?

Seriously must be great up there in your ivory tower.

What it so difficult about staying at home, to save lives?

The fact that there is no legislation to this effect.

@MadameBee No you can't light that bonfire because the parent with 4 children needs the space for the bouncy castle!

Then stay locked up in your house. Then you won't get the virus .

@TinRoofRusty

I would love too, as would other vulnerable people. Unfortunately we are also the ones that need to get on the bus to go to the hospital. Because we are vulnerable we need extra care and can't skip hospital appointments. Because we are vulnerable many of us work part time so earn less and can't afford a car. People not adhering to lockdown and social distancing are the people who are actually murdering those that don't have a choice but go out. And yes, I do call it murder because you know the consequences. It's not killing people accidentally, it's bloody murder.

What annoys me - and the OP comes in this category - is people who state things as law, when they are not.

Like not having bonfires - its just a set of guidance - not the law. One hours exercise - that's not the law either. Neither is it being not allowed to buy non essential items in any shop that is open.

They are just interpretations of the law. NOT the law itself

@ViciousJackdaw

ah - but it’s MY garden ..

My view is (and yes thank you I am aware the police do not decide the law! hmm ) that we should be doing absolutely everything we can to avoid putting strain on the NHS, ie not getting into our cars and risking an accident not doing activities that might cause an accident and end up in hospital.

I understand that. My DH has lost his job and we don’t know when he’ll work again because of all the uncertainty. I don’t think people should be “doing absolutely everything” but rather that people should make a risk assessment on the work they do and make decisions as necessary. You could argue that every RTA is unnecessary because people didn’t need to be on the road, with or without a pandemic.

Your main fear appears to be getting the virus. My fear of getting the virus is equalled to my fear of losing the entire life that DH and I have built for ourselves because of his unemployment. The bouncy castle guy might have the same problem.

I'm not down playing people's losses, financial or otherwise. But I'd rather be alive to be able to rebuild that life than dead.

I would like to point out that I did not introduce the word “law” into this.

I have consistently said “advice” or “rules”.

It’s advice it’s not law and it’s common sense.

Why is it okay for common sense to be applied when it comes to going above and beyond the law but not when, for example, two low risk people meet up at separate ends of a garden and have a twenty minute chat

The argument against "no common sense" is that people can't be trusted to apply it.

God just let people be.

I haven't seen my mum since this started and her mental health is not good and she is lonely. Do I care if someone else sees their mum, gets a bouncy castle, builds a bonfire? NO I DON'T. Everyone has their reasons for their actions. Reasons that come with a whole background and context known only to themselves. I am not a fan of the 'be kind' phrase but we are all just people, who want to be happy.

That would be inconsiderate, but it is legal.

I'm not down playing people's losses, financial or otherwise. But I'd rather be alive to be able to rebuild that life than dead

Unless you're obese or over 70, your chances of dying with Covid-19 if you do catch it are infinitesimally small.

My fear is not getting the virus really - my fear is people dying, esp my own loved ones, the economy starting up again and just being able to go back to “normal” for everyone’s mental health and the most vulnerable people in society.

Hiring the bouncy castle keeps the bouncy castle company in business and gives the owners/employees of the hire company an income which will pay their bills and put food on the table

And pay the tax that’s keeping the NHS and everyone who’s furloughed afloat.

Our NDNs have friends/family round in the garden now, certainly not for the first time.
I can’t be bothered to get worked up about it.

Sodding joggers, OTOH, who seem to think social distancing doesn’t apply to them - it’s a good job I don’t live anywhere like LA, with a handy gun about my person.

@walkingchuckydoll I think you may need to look up the word murder and reassess

I would like to point out that I did not introduce the word “law” into this. I have consistently said “advice” or “rules”

Perhaps ask yourself why that 'advice' or 'rule' doesn't feature in the legislation?

People not adhering to lockdown and social distancing are the people who are actually murdering those that don't have a choice but go out. And yes, I do call it murder because you know the consequences. It's not killing people accidentally, it's bloody murder.

Dementor of the week award goes to....

If you catch a virus and it kills you the virus killed you. Not the person who gave it to you.

You are way too hung up on semantics.

You are way too hung up on semantics

...but it was you who specifically brought semantics into this- see...here:

I would like to point out that I did not introduce the word “law” into this.
I have consistently said “advice” or “rules”