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To think that Matt Hancock is not looking very well

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insomniasucks · 06/05/2020 22:10

Just that really. It must be so hard being the Health Secretary during this difficult time. I feel so sorry for him.

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chomalungma · 07/05/2020 08:52

Polls are irrelevant.

The only poll that matter is the election. There will be the local ones of course.

No doubt the public enquiry will be running or have finished by then.
The Conservative Government will have struggled to deliver change for the Red wall constituencies.
Brexit will have happened and we will hopefully have had a deal. So we will be seeing the effects of that.

@CendrillonSings can keep quoting polls. But I think it's going to be a very bumpy few years for the Conservative party.

I also think Matt Hancock is under a lot of pressure - and there have been a lot of failures. I do feel for him - but he wanted the job. As did Boris.

So he can own it.

IDefinitelyHaveFriends · 07/05/2020 09:03

No Oblomov, we seem to be at a fairly steady 80-85 thousand. In its own right that’s not a bad result in a short period of time once they finally pulled their fingers out, but they decided to fix the numbers flagrantly to meet their declared target.

chomalungma · 07/05/2020 09:08

In its own right that’s not a bad result in a short period of time once they finally pulled their fingers out, but they decided to fix the numbers flagrantly to meet their declared target

It's a great improvement. He fell into the danger of setting a measurable target with potential consequences for not reaching it - because then the system was gamed to hit the target - and people have seen through the gaming.

I can already see how they are going to game the next target.

The 200,000 tests include antibody tests - and it's capacity. I strongly suspect that the 200,000 target when we reach it will be a lot of antibody tests - rather than RT-PCR swabs.

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 07/05/2020 09:24

I wonder if any of the people who keep whittering on about ‘the left‘ just answer a quick question for me

Regardless of this thread, do you honestly believe that if anyone criticises a tory minister or a tory policy that they are left voters

Or are you just saying It to annoy...

Ilovemypantry · 07/05/2020 09:29

@Woodentopper
I felt sorry for the virus, how awful that it got infected by Boris Johnson

What an awful, ridiculous, childish comment to make, unbelievable.

Impiz · 07/05/2020 09:33

@rosie1959 Compare our population density to other EU countries...

Impiz · 07/05/2020 09:35

Oh, I’m far from partisan @Tellmetruth4. I have see things to be praised and things to be criticised about how the Gov’t are managing it. The key thing is, that I can do that without having death wishes on other people. It’s amazing! Try it.

c0ffeeandcake · 07/05/2020 09:35

Yes he does look rather unwell... but I've heard there is no cure for cunt so he's probably managing his condition as best he can.

Also, please watch your tone.

rosie1959 · 07/05/2020 09:43

SudokuBook - Yes I voted conservative but I have never voted labour and really not likely to start now

rosie1959 · 07/05/2020 09:49

@Impiz interesting point there has got to be something more to this
Much of the UK has low figures The fact that BAME communities have been hit so hard

DippyAvocado · 07/05/2020 10:16

Well, we'll never know how Labour would have handled the crisis, so it's pointless to speculate and is obviously an attempt to deflect. It doesn't mean we can't comment on what a truly appalling job the current government are doing. On the Channel 4 news last night it actually showed news clips from around the world all saying how dire things are in the UK. I would say we are a laughing stock, except it isn't funny.

Sertchgi123 · 07/05/2020 10:18

Perfectly fine to attack a Labour leader when they deserve it. But attacking Starmer for being posh was simply weird

So weird that it didn't actually happen! I absolutely dispute that calling someone posh when they are is a personal attack.

chomalungma · 07/05/2020 10:24

I am loving PMQs at the moment.

Boris is under real scrutiny and he can't fall back on his backbench cheers and laughs.

Also - the Government is a real easy target at the moment. Look at the PPE from Turkey. Heralded as a great PR success. Turns out to be not up to scratch and we are asking for a refund.

WatcherintheRye · 07/05/2020 10:28

I was thinking last night why we have had so many deaths Yes testing PPE etc etc but is there something else . Once people are in hospital why such large death rates I am confident our Drs are on par with any other countries So is it to do with something else.

I think the 'something else' was that they were so concerned about not overwhelming the NHS, after witnessing the scenes in Italian hospitals (where the losses were, ironically, fewer) that it translated into keeping as many people out of hospital for as long as possible, until it was often too late. People were instructed to go it alone at home for as long as they could, paramedics and 111 were given a high benchmark for admissions (7/10, reduced to 3-5/10 on April 10th) and the often rapid deterioration with Covid-19 meant that people were getting to hospital too late. We were never near to being overwhelmed- more people could have been saved.

The policy in Germany, just for example, was to admit much earlier (like Boris was), at a point where oxygen was still effective,rather than wait until ventilating became the more likely option. As we know, survival rates are not brilliant, once a patient is on a ventilator.
In Italy, saving life at all costs is ingrained into the culture. In the UK, not so much, it seems. Dominic Cummings and his ilk wouldn't be tolerated in many other countries.

WatcherintheRye · 07/05/2020 10:31

Just to clarify, I'm pointing the finger at politicians and their advisors, not at NHS staff.

NoMorePoliticsPlease · 07/05/2020 10:31

Wow the bitches are out. Why do people take politicians aprt personally?
I see no logic in it. This is a person doing an almost impossible job getting villified. You dont know him, I dont know him. Neither do ypou know Megan Markle or Pricess Diana,
How would it be if you were his sister, brother, wife or mother?
I despair at the hate dished out to human beings who are total strangers to you. Whatever your politics. Would you personally do better? I expect those of you who are so certian of the "right" and "wrong" decisions are right up there. Consider your own job, either paid or as a parent and imagine getting this amount of sht dropped on your head. I bet it would really help you when the baby is screaming or clients are screaming for some one to say they hate you and you are rubbish at the job. Please stop the venom

NoMorePoliticsPlease · 07/05/2020 10:37

@WatcherintheRye
Talking to friends in Italy yesterday, the problems have been very similar and it is now cracking through the care homes. Ironically the sanctity of life is one of the causes of the ventilator shortage as there are a large number of patients non covid who are in a vegetative state on ventilators for years. It is useless comparing countries until the final analysis after we have come through this. I feel at the moment peopl are throwing stones at firefighters

bellinisurge · 07/05/2020 10:39

Unlike Meghan Markle etc - he was elected into a decision making position. Decisions he make impact directly on people's lives. I'm not his mother. I refuse to say diddums about him.
If you think criticising a politician is the same as criticising some well known person, you don't know much about politics.

chomalungma · 07/05/2020 10:39

During war time, if commanders weren't up to the job, if things had gone wrong and if strategies had failed, they were relieved of duty and replaced with someone who was up to it.

Do we have the current people in charge in Cabinet positions who are up to the task that the country is asking of them at the moment?

I think that's a fair question to ask.

Alsohuman · 07/05/2020 10:50

Hats off to you @RunningAwaywiththeCircus. You’ve gone up several notches in my estimation with that post.

How anyone, regardless of how they vote, can defend the spectacular display of incompetence we’re currently witnessing is beyond me.

DippyAvocado · 07/05/2020 10:56

This is a person doing an almost impossible job getting villified

Pandemic planning is the government's responsibility. As health secretary, it's part of his job! In the late 2000s, the UK government were regarded as experts in pandemics and lent their expertise internationally.

The government completely took its eye off the ball and became complacent. Countries like Germany obviously considered Pandemic planning a priority still and were able to organise themselves effectively from the get-go.

Peregrina · 07/05/2020 10:57

It's a giant organisation and fixing years and years of damage can't be done overnight.

They have had a lot of "overnights" in ten years. When Attlee's Government got in in 1945 they had the NHS up and running in two years. It can be done if the will is there. The will wasn't there with the current incarnation of Tories.

Alsohuman · 07/05/2020 10:59

It's a giant organisation and fixing years and years of damage can't be done overnight

And yet six huge Nightingale hospitals were created in a week.

Peregrina · 07/05/2020 11:07

Commandeering a building as a temporary hospital is one thing, and bear in mind that initially the owners wanted paying for giving it up. Getting a fully staffed hospital up and running is quite another.

The Nightingale hospitals appear to have been PR. A local hospital has had wards shut for about 4 years now - there has never been any intention to press them into service. How many more hospital wards are there up and down the country in towns where people live, in the same position?

NonHypotheticalLurkingParent · 07/05/2020 11:10

Wow the bitches are out. Why do people take politicians aprt personally?
I see no logic in it. This is a person doing an almost impossible job getting villified.

Why is it an impossible job? Other countries politicians haven’t found it impossible. Why have ours found it so impossible?

It’s only been impossible because it’s been made so by our most senior ministers. We have the EU procurement scheme, that looks like the Foreign Office knew about but didn’t pass on the information to the Dept of Health and Security (it looks most likely Raab is responsible for that). We have the prime minister setting arbitrary targets, Matt Hancock scales it down to a more manageable target and is pushed for a date by Laura Kuessenburg. Other ministers (Gove) start a whisper campaign that Hancock will have to resign if his target’s not met. They want Hancock gone because he’s blocking the easing of lockdown, meaning they’re no longer responsible for financing furloughing.

These people are playing politics at the highest level. They have made it impossible for each other.

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