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To think easing lockdown on Monday is allowing a second peak to happen?

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Gawdsake2020 · 06/05/2020 13:02

Exactly that really. Still 4,000 odd infections a day, 600 deaths a day and there easing up on Monday.

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SarahTancredi · 06/05/2020 17:49

Are so many people really that mentally fragile that a few weeks not being able to see relatives in person or go out when they feel like it is driving them to a mental health crisis

Oh I know,. All those pesky people who haven't received a penny since march and wondering how they will feed their families or their rent...pathetic I know Hmm

TheHumansAreDefinitelyDead · 06/05/2020 17:50

Duffeldaisy, proper lockdown for how long?

A year? Longer?

Would you still have a job and a home?

Many won’t

BuddleiaTime · 06/05/2020 17:52

@Russellbrandshair
You have the nerve to call others selfish when you expect the entire world to revolve around you!

Except I don't. But don't let the truth get in the way of your spite. I said much earlier in the thread that I had concerns for all the weak and elderly.

You really are a deeply unpleasant person, aren't you? Trying so hard to be as vile as you can. Well done. You must be so proud.

For those who seem to doubt why so many of my family are shielded we have chronic asthma. In a normal world we cope just fine but flu and pneumonia make us very, very ill. As would Covid.

Anyway this is far too upsetting. Time for a name change and an evening off. A shame you can't block people on here.

TheHumansAreDefinitelyDead · 06/05/2020 17:52

so many people really that mentally fragile that a few weeks not being able to see relatives in person or go out when they feel like it is driving them to a mental health crisis

Wow , what a thing to say

lonelyfemale · 06/05/2020 17:53

What I want to know is, if Nightingale Hospital was built for Covid-19 and still has capacity, why as many/all of the current Covid-19 patients could have been transferred to Nightingale to free up beds in the other hospitals for cancer and other patients? They've built this big hospitals especially for these patients so why aren't they making full use of it?

Betty000 · 06/05/2020 17:53

Things need to get moving ASAP, if you don’t want to go back to work or your kids to go back to school then that’s absolutely no problem and your choice, if you can afford it. My DH is self employed and I’m furloughed we have only 80% of my part time wage coming in, we need to get back to nothing ASAP or we cannot pay rent and bills etc. My children are both autistic, the teen is struggling a lot with not seeing his mates and my youngest is glued to pc for hours a day and no amount of bribery/threats will get him off without a massive meltdown and me losing more of my sanity. I’ve got a GP with dementia who me and my siblings are trying to care for along with another sibling with severe mental health issues who has really struggled. As a family we nee to get back to work to not only survive financially but mentally too.

BeijingBikini · 06/05/2020 17:54

Are so many people really that mentally fragile that a few weeks not being able to see relatives in person or go out when they feel like it is driving them to a mental health crisis

Sorry, what? It's more the fact that I'll probably lose my job, then have to find another one in the middle of the worst recession in living memory.

And being mentally tough doesn't make you a better person. Like when someone gets cancer and get praised with "they're so brave, they stayed positive, what a fighter!". What if they didn't? What if someone just wants to cry and mope the entire time? That doesn't make them any worse a person or any less worthy.

MayDayFightsBack · 06/05/2020 17:55

Oh I know,. All those pesky people who haven't received a penny since march and wondering how they will feed their families or their rent...pathetic I know hmm

I spent years without an income and living off family handouts when ill because it is nigh on impossible to get benefits when you are disabled - many people do. Perhaps a positive outcome of this situation will be that people will understand the terrible practical, social and financial difficulties people living with disabilities go through.

Elmerrrrrrrr · 06/05/2020 17:55

And yes I am struggling but the support I need is to be able to see my mum and sisters. How is anything the govenrment could give me going to help with that.

BeijingBikini · 06/05/2020 17:56

What I want to know is, if Nightingale Hospital was built for Covid-19 and still has capacity, why as many/all of the current Covid-19 patients could have been transferred to Nightingale to free up beds in the other hospitals for cancer and other patients? They've built this big hospitals especially for these patients so why aren't they making full use of it?

Because it was a vanity project to win political points. It's treated something like a total of 54 people.

DesperateElf · 06/05/2020 17:56

Are so many people really that mentally fragile that a few weeks not being able to see relatives in person or go out when they feel like it is driving them to a mental health crisis

I work as a manager and yes absolutely people struggle. They feel like it's a mental crisis, because it is! The longer this continues, the more previously healthy and motivated people we are losing from an already skeleton workforce. It really can't continue for much longer like this.

AlternativePerspective · 06/05/2020 17:59

The media are loving this. They’re making it up as they go along and people are lapping it up.

Nowhere has it been stated that we will be coming out of lockdown on Monday,only that the PM will be delivering a plan on Sunday. In fact if you listen to the briefings it is being made constantly clear that we cannot come out of lockdown.

Interestingly I have friends in South Africa and they have been told the virus isn’t expected to peak there until June, and they’ve been in lockdown for the same length of time as us except restrictions have just been lifted to allow exercise.

SarahTancredi · 06/05/2020 17:59

Perhaps a positive outcome of this situation will be that people will understand the terrible practical, social and financial difficulties people living with disabilities go through

Well I've certainly never been one to think that anyone on benefits is living it up. Wouldn't wish that on anyone tbh.

Elmerrrrrrrr · 06/05/2020 18:02

Erm actually the PM emphatically did say that restrictions would start to be eased on Monday

I accept that obviously isn't a return to normal, but it isnt just a plan.

redtickreturn · 06/05/2020 18:02

I can't really see how Boris can be talking about lifting it based on his own 5 step criteria. Cases have gone up today and deaths are still only slowly falling over a 7 day average and track and trace isn't set up...

I don't necessarily disagree with starting to lift things I just think it makes a mockery of everything he has been saying when nothing significant has changed yet. I'd have thought there would be a greater drop over the next few weeks and that's what they would be looking for 🤷🏽‍♀️

duffeldaisy · 06/05/2020 18:02

@TheHumansAreDefinitelyDead
proper lockdown for how long?
A year? Longer?
Would you still have a job and a home?
Many won’t

That is where holding government to account comes in.
It involves voting for decent people who genuinely represent people who may be in danger of losing their job or home. It is the government's responsibility to ensure that people are protected over this period. And yes, that is perfectly possible in one of the richest countries in the world.

How long? If there was a really tight lockdown, with everyone on board, then presumably there's a 2 week window before anyone with it shows any symptoms, and another 2 weeks afterwards to make sure no-one is contagious. So 6 weeks perhaps? But with proper PPE, proper testing of everyone who needs it, and tracing once the 6 weeks are up. It's not impossible. New Zealand is back to 0 cases. S Korea did similar. The harder we can lock down, then the quicker it's over for everyone, and then it's just a question of pouring resources into quarantining at airports and borders (not too hard in Britain).
The current lockdown has gone on for ages but next to nothing has changed in terms of safety yet, so deaths will rise all over again.

redtickreturn · 06/05/2020 18:04

Nowhere has it been stated that we will be coming out of lockdown on Monday,only that the PM will be delivering a plan on Sunday. In fact if you listen to the briefings it is being made constantly clear that we cannot come out of lockdown.

He said on PQT that he was delivering it on Sunday as he hoped that some restriction easing would come into effect on Monday.

Devlesko · 06/05/2020 18:05

I think The Nightingale hospitals will be very much in demand during the second wave. We aren't even half way through yet, if we are going to lose 60k odd.

Blackbear19 · 06/05/2020 18:07

MayDayFightsBack I'm not belittling your experience but what you describe isn't the same.
It's obviously been a life long issue for you so your financial set up will have it in mind. You may even have chosen a house with your problem in mind house with garden etc. Certainly in your teens isolating I highly doubt that you'd have has children to consider too.

People have all sorts of issues.
Struggling financially on reduced income.
Struggling with poor IT set up wtf.
Struggling with poor IT educating children while WFH.
Struggling with frustrated children bickering while WFH.
Struggling trying to do shifts in stressful environments.
Struggling with loneliness, people unable to visit.
Struggling with kids in a flat.
Struggling with the heat in a modern flat with no through draft and its built with all windows in the same direction.

The struggles are real.

TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 06/05/2020 18:09

Only 400 people under 40 have died. What about those of us who are over 40?

Lockdown is affecting mental health. Depends on how you look at it. Coming out of lockdown early will affect my mental health. The virus is affecting my mental health, l feel safer in lockdown. So who is top trumps in the mental health stakes?

BlueBrian · 06/05/2020 18:09

Now there'll be loads of muppets who carry on this bank holiday weekend as if the whole virus thing is over and sorted, that'll cause a massive spike in about two weeks, and the lockdown will be extended.

Justaboy · 06/05/2020 18:11

The Nightingales are an insurance policy, nowt more!

Houses very rarley burn down these days, and you might begrude your house policy cost, but you'll be bloody glad you did should the worst come to the worse!

underneaththeash · 06/05/2020 18:11

@BuddleiaTime
You can choose to stay in though. I can't understand how and why people can't appreciate that there will not be either a vaccine or a cure for a significant amount of time and we need to re-start the economy. There will be no money to fund the NHS otherwise.

There are a significant number of families and people like my own who have no underlying health problems, are youngish and not obese. Our risk of getting ill with this is exceptionally small, we need to get (he majority) our children back to school and us back into work to support the economy and the NHS social care and everything else that needs money.

Vincent05 · 06/05/2020 18:11

If we don’t attempt to contain the virus with test isolate and trace the lockdown will have been a waste of time. Elderly and vulnerable eg ( overweight) write your wills.

totallyyesno · 06/05/2020 18:11

Pretty expensive insurance policy!