Using ( not resident) nanny during lockdown?

[Ladyinamask]

So found out today my SIL and BIL are still having the nanny take care of their children . Nanny does not live with them btw.
I am rather horrified but not completely surprised they do this. Not key workers but both highly paid and quite frankly extremely arogent at the best if times.
They live in a rather nice part of West London by the river so hardly a remote hamlet with no known covid cases nearby.
Is this against the rules or is everyone still doing this?

Hairdressers cannot work, dog groomers cannot work, so what makes a nanny special?
The nanny - unless they are live in - has to leave their residence, travel to another residence, mix with another household.
Does the nanny wear PPE all the time?
Anyone who cannot see a problem with this isn't trying.

Nannys by definition can not socially distance, and given the parents are not key workers, they are mixing households by having her arrive every day, she may work for others too, and be mixing in many different households.

To be a nanny, you cannot work for more than two families and from the sounds of the OP’s in-laws they work full time so have a full time nanny which means it’s likely to be just one family.

I don’t know of any nurseries or primary schools that are currently open for key workers’ children that are socially distancing the children. The adults do so and lots of hand washing is encouraged. You cannot work with young children and socially distance. However, nannies can work during the lockdown just as nursery workers and teachers can.

@Biscuit0110 lot of mights there, but mostly not likely!

I am at the end of my tether this week, and to read this thread with people adjusting the restrictions to suit themselves is galling.

Rules? Lol there are no r UK les here, merely guidelines

But people have actually quoted the government guidelines on this thread which make it clear that nannies are allowed to work. There is no adjusting of restrictions going on just a desire to stop the bizarre moral judgement that perfectly legal behaviour seems to provoke.

The difference between a nanny and a mobile hairdresser is that a nanny is employed by the family, her workplace remains open and so she can go to work. A mobile hairdresser is self employed running her own business and that business has been ordered to close.

Many nannies work for more than one family and I know of several continuing to do so throughout the pandemic so it does seem a slightly arbitrary rule.

@andyoldlabour I think a hairdresser working would come into more contact per day than nanny, don't you?

You know a full day for a hairdresser would be three cut and blow drys, two lots of highlights and a perm, that's six other households, not one like a nanny?

Yes, the nanny could be doing a second job, could be nannying for others, could be flouting all the rules and mixing with other people. But based on the OP, nothing suggests that, it just seems like someone who doesn't like their rich relatives very much.

To be a nanny, you cannot work for more than two families Don't be ridiculous. One of our nannies worked for four different families. She worked two evenings a week for one family, a weekend babysitter for another, and for us and another family part time. A nanny job is not well paid outside of London, and many have to supplement their income.

Yes I can tell @Biscuit0110 and whilst you might not like it, this situation is not breaking any rules.

Do you have a nanny?

@Ullupullu.
That's right, turn it into a thread bashing people for being able to afford a nanny. Grow up and stop being jealous.

To be a nanny, you cannot work for more than two families

That is, 2 families at the same time, on the same day. You can work for several families throughout the week on a part time basis.

grand it’s fine to have morals about this sort of thing but the long term effect on the economy is going to be horrific. How is all this furloughing going to be paid for? We have a nightmare to look forward to if/when lockdown eases. Many of us would rather take our chances and work for a living.

And ‘morally’ should I stay at home and not go out to volunteer with rough sleepers and at the Food Bank? I could ignore the most vulnerable and socially excluded in our society but ‘morally’ I make the personal choice to help people.

You hate them don't you OP?

Op's thoughts about her relatives are immaterial to the moral argument.

Yes, this is allowed expected and in the best interests of nurses. If people don't work then benefits are not paid to 2m on universal credit and doctors and nurses and teachers will have no salaries so these people are heroes and are not even breaching any rules - see www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/350/regulation/6/made

They and their nanny are the reason many people are not on the streets with no food. Without that tax revenue the nation dies off.

I have a nanny, cleaner and other people that help us, and I would not dream of putting them at risk in the middle of a pandemic. Of course I would LOVE for them all to come back, but is it right? No, because I am not a keyworker and my work is non essential.

Xenia in that case we should ALL be back at work, regardless, we should be carrying on as normal so we are not all on the streets without food.

Can you not see how flawed that argument is?

If you can't work from home, you can (and should) still be working unless there is a business need to furlough people. If you can work from home, you should. Either way, people still need to work.

It’s allowed, and it’s none of your business, and you just sound jealous. Very jealous.

My children go between my house and their father’s. It’s allowed. We are both keeping well to isolation - we have a two household ‘bubble’. Potentially, same thing here. It’s higher risk, but a decision that can be practical and still low risk. Would I keep a nanny coming who was going out a lot to other places, or working two families, or living in a house share with others going out? No. Would I keep my nanny coming if their own household was keeping good isolation? Yes.

Just because they earn more money than you, doesn’t make them bad people

I think it is ok AS LONG AS nanny is ok with it. Most people just have to make do atm with trying to work and deal with kids at the same time. Ideally she would furlough the nanny, presumably nanny would prefer this too.

Great so my hairdresser, beautician, decorator, cleaner, dog groomer all need to work, so lets book them all up!

They all need to work.

It appears the lockdown is no longer necessary! We should all be back to work as of yesterday.

Boris need not make any kind of announcement on Sunday, as it seems some have ended the lockdown by themselves.

@Frazzled2207 this is a fair point. Lots of nannies are happy to continue to work however looking at a lot of nanny forums, many many nannies are not happy to work and are worried about their own families but are being made to work. It's a difficult one because technically they can work

I doubt the nanny had much of a choice!
It is not like she can do anything about it if she is forced to work and feels at risk, who would she speak to if she feels compromised?
As long as non essential workers can carry on thats okay.

Biscuit - aren't you the poster who, on the thread about measuring primary school classrooms, is agitating for schools to reopen and for teachers to show a bit of backbone and adopt a more "can do" mentality about getting back to work?

How does that line of argument chime with what you're arguing on here?