Using ( not resident) nanny during lockdown?

[Ladyinamask]

So found out today my SIL and BIL are still having the nanny take care of their children . Nanny does not live with them btw.
I am rather horrified but not completely surprised they do this. Not key workers but both highly paid and quite frankly extremely arogent at the best if times.
They live in a rather nice part of West London by the river so hardly a remote hamlet with no known covid cases nearby.
Is this against the rules or is everyone still doing this?

@thetoddleratemyhomework

Our governments appeal to us to 'do the right thing' for the 'greater good'..rather than do a Chinese styled lock-down. I find that naturally democratic and quaint.

Many of us are self serving and superior though - regardless of how much money we have in the bank.

@Pawsandnoses

Absolutely. Virtue signalling plus huge jealousy on the assumption that we are all "super rich" posh people. Total rubbish.

Have you read the government guidance - following it is the very definition of doing the right thing, surely?

lol
i’m a nanny and still working ..
Nanny is a career
we are entities
to work too
i can’t wait to share this thread on all the nanny groups tbh
🤣🤣🤣🤣

@randomchatter

Wow! I think the only person with a superiority complex is you. Is it good up there on your high horse, looking down on us mere mortals who cannot work a 12 hour day with a toddler in tow?

I am doing exactly what the government says I can do, paying lots of tax and not claiming public funds to make a profit on childcare.

I also have self isolated to protect my nanny. I have a clear conscience!

@randomchatter

You seem to think that what the government means when it says "nannies can work in their employers homes" (which it does) is "but we would like you to ignore this and require her to stay at home"

@thetoddleratemyhomework

You asked me for anecdotal evidence. I provided it and never mentioned working mums being beaten up by them!

I've worked with CEOs in various industries for a long time and the notion that they're all fickle little numpties who can't juggle child care with their partner when both are working from home is a tad 1980s!

I can only think you must be a troll!! I am going to sign off now, as you clearly are not capable of reading genuine governmental guidance despite all your experience with (real!????) female CEOs who achieve perfect balance with their kids. And would prefer to tear down other women out of jealousy and/or spite.

Ffs

The rules

If you can not work at home you can go to work

Nannies do not have to work for key workers

If an employer can’t work at home and look after her children (usually babies toddlers) then they can still use their nannies services

And not against the rules

Yes it’s a home to the family

But a workplace to the nanny

I've worked with CEOs in various industries for a long time and the notion that they're all fickle little numpties who can't juggle child care with their partner when both are working from home is a tad 1980s

What would fickleness have to do with anything? My very definite notion from working with our and client executive teams is that they are on Zoom calls from early ours with Asia through to late night with the US dealing with crisis issues - their EAs are trying to shorten meetings to allow for occasional toilet breaks. Any of them with small children - male or female - have a part time or totally stay at home partner, and a nanny also, often live in. Not because they're numpties, but because modern work life balance is shite. Sure, they might do pickups once a week and that's great, but I can guarantee that none in my industry are doing 3 hours shifts from 3am to 1am so that they and their full time partners could miraculously manage to do their usual jobs, homeschool older children, keep a toddler or baby safe and cared for, cook and clean.

And @nannykatherine makes a really good point. Our nanny is amazing, she's been a part of our family for many years, we are very aware how lucky we are to have her, and she has been fully a part of all our decisions. She's also well paid, in high demand, very intelligent, well educated, strong willed and fully a part of our decision making, not the downtrodden worker some people here seem to imagine. After 2 weeks at home with DH and I trying to WFH full time with 4 kids (her at home on full pay), it was extremely apparent that I'd have to quit my job to continue, as furlough and unpaid leave were not options acceptable to my management. We discussed this all with her, offered to continue paying her in full as long as we could if she stayed home, and furlough once I'd stopped working, if the scheme was still availabl - she chose to continue coming, and we have respected that and done everything we can to make it a safe work environment for her, as we trust her doing everything she can to stay safe also.

We have a nanny - normally she’s part time as the babies go to nursery at the morning. She isn’t coming in as she hasn’t been well, but maaaaaan we miss her. We’re both working from home in demanding jobs. My husband has client calls all the time, and trying to manage that with a 2 and a 4 year old running around is nigh on impossible. Neither of our workloads have dropped off at all. My LM has three children and is wfh, and the youngest frequently makes appearances in conference calls etc so she has an idea of what its like, but hasn’t really reallocated work or been able to, because our whole team globally is in the same position. My colleague in APAC hasn’t been able to go into the office since mid January and she has three kids as well. I’m so exhausted. Our nanny has her own car, so when she was coming in before she drove (so less contact with other people). We’re continuing to pay her, as this is her only job and she’s amazing, we wouldn’t want to lose her.

@Straycatstrut - forget all the huffing and puffing going on around you on this chat.... are you ok? Am genuinely worried about your post. This too shall pass and things will look up again. Your kids will forget all of this chaos in time and you sound like you’re properly putting your back into this.... That’s what they will remember - Mum managed us through the lockdown of 2020 - it might not be for another couple of decades but one day they’ll think back on this and how you got them through it. Go easy on yourself and congratulate yourself for holding up this far.

Reading this, I’ve realised that some parents/people really do live a very different life to me!

It’s different for key workers, they should get to keep nannies. But what about regular people working from home who can’t afford nannies, they send their kids to nurseries which are all shit now? Why do non-key workers get to keep their nannies as childcare when everyone else looses theirs??

*shut

Friends of mine, both key workers used a nanny who was otherwise only ever at her own house. Much less risky than sending them to school with children of key workers, teachers etc

^Today 00:31 Noti23

It’s different for key workers, they should get to keep nannies. But what about regular people working from home who can’t afford nannies, they send their kids to nurseries which are all shit now? Why do non-key workers get to keep their nannies as childcare when everyone else looses theirs??^
@Noti23
Because the risk profile of a nanny is totally different. It’s not about taking things away from people until we’re all the same! I don’t have a car. Should we ban you from driving yours as I can no longer get the bus to the supermarket and/or get regular online delivery, which is a pain in the arse? Ofc not.

They (gov.uk) actually released new guidance on Monday (4/5) that specifically addressed liveout nannies. It says that can go work, because they are unable to work from home, as long as they put in place as much social distancing as possible.

There was a specific point about providing paid for for childcare in someone else's home saying it was within the rules.

We furloughed our nanny at the beginning of lockdown but she is coming back to work on Monday in light of the new guidance.

Nannies have always been able to work. The guidelines have been clear from.day one; if you could not work from home you could continue to work but maintain social distancing as far as possible.
The guidelines have now been clarified and specifically mention nannies.
Alot of businesses furloughed staff when they should really have stayed opened and put social distancing measures in place.
Our economy is in big trouble and we will all be paying for this for the rest of our lives.
I'm a nanny. I was off on full pay for several weeks until I persuaded my employers to let me return. Both households hadnt been out for weeks. I travel to work by car.
The risk of infection is minimal. I am far far more at risk going to the supermarket.
My employers were tag team working before I returned eg starting at 5 am and ending at 8 pm. They can now both work 9 to 5.
I have my own bathroom to use at their house. I take my own food, mug etc. I use my own hand towel. I keep 2 ms from the adults. I dont keep 2m from the children , but they wash their hands frequently.
I am paid £14 per hour so not a low wage, I'm not in London.
I love my job. It is a second career and one that I chose as I love children.
Since returning I have been able to provide a full day of structured activities for the children. Eg school work, garden games, music, baking, messy play, crafts and sewing, daily walk. No TV.
The parents work in their home office and I dont see them. All three of us thus pay tax and have been paying for all the furloughed staff.
Most of my nanny friends have been furloughed, fair enough if they have health problems, their own childcare needs or the parents have no work.
Biscuit clearly has no idea what being a nanny entails. None of my nanny friends work in the evening of weekends. We do long days 10 to 12 hours and earn a good rate of pay. Some nannies do work for two families either as a nanny share or on separate days. They have in some cases been furloughed by one family and continued to work for the other family.

It’s different for key workers, they should get to keep nannies. But what about regular people working from home who can’t afford nannies, they send their kids to nurseries which are all shit now? Why do non-key workers get to keep their nannies as childcare when everyone else looses theirs??

So, if you have a car, when your work restarts you'll presumably take the bus instead because many nurses on the frontline can't afford one?

This pandemic has shown up many inequalities and we should all donate what we can, make the noise and sign the petitions we can and vote in elections to address that. However I can't see how people making themselves and their nannies redundant because others don't have the same financial situation is helpful, however.

@Stuckforthefourthtime - Of course some CEOs are still working using Zoom etc out of necessity, in my experience a minority need to have a nanny visit their homes during lockdown. Many who do retain a nanny full time are in my opinion fickle and have made a lifestyle choice.

It's not just about CEOs, MPs and Solicitors for example will retain the services of nannies but only when required. They haven't sacked them, just shortened their hours - some will continue to pay full salary.

As I've stated, some CEOs manage to work from home without a nanny at this time!

@thetoddleratemyhomework

I'm not a troll, I simply have a different opinion to yours. Not sure why one would get so heated about a topic that doesn't concern them directly - It's just an exchange of ideas and views surely?

I'm not concerned about the 'rules' per se but the application of it and the intent of it. The 'rules' provide guidelines. If you can do without a Nanny at this time perhaps you should but continue to pay them!

And @randomchatter you still haven't really answered the question as to why if your view is right it is totally permitted to employ a nanny, taking the right precautions, and specifically clarified in government guidance. The government has clearly made a risk assessment on it and has clarified the position for everyone.