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False allegation of sexual assault - what to do here??!

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What2dohere · 04/05/2020 13:26

NC for this one. The long story short is that myself and my younger sister are both forty-something women. My sister has had mental health issues treated with anti-psychotic drugs since her late teens. At around the time she was first diagnosed (and in part the reason she was diagnosed) was because she was accusing all and sundry of sexually assaulting her. She was staying with me at the time, came home with mad stories about teams of men trying to drag her into vans, replete with the 'evidence' of supposedly torn clothing etc.

Alarm bells first started ringing for me straight away after she showed me the clothing that she said had been partially ripped from her body. This was the same day the police interviewed her, at my insistence. I saw that the stitching in the trouser leg had been worked loose, basically the seam had been let down, there was no tearing of the material, and it was a double crease if you know what I mean, so that the stitching had been removed from the line where it sewed material together three times over. I was thinking that is very odd; it's not the sort of damage you'd expect from a mad melee where three men are trying to drag you into a van. It was too careful and methodical to fit the scene that she'd described. That was the first of the alarm bells that all was not as it seemed.

The second alarm bell came within days, when she accused both of our parents (one of whom is deceased) of sexually assaulting her in childhood. This confirmed my suspicions that she was fabricating sexual assault stories. I know my own parents, was raised in the same house, they were a long way from perfect but they sure as shit were not perverts. Also they raised several children; were we expected to believe they discovered their perversions only when it came to their youngest daughter?!

Twenty-something years on and numerous breakdowns later, during which time various other people have been accused of sexual assault, my sister is not in a good way at all. She has been medicated on and off for all this time, but unfortunately takes herself off her meds routinely. She is a single mother under the observation of social services for numerous reasons including her daughter fleeing the house for her own safety. Myself and other family members have had to step in at various points and report to social services for safeguarding issues.

Twice last year she physically assaulted me in the street and both times I had to defend myself. The first time I let it go but the second I contacted social services to report that she was charging at me in the street raging with aggression and hostility out of nowhere and for no reason, as this obviously meant she was back off her meds. Physically she didn't do much damage, although the crazy bug-eyed animosity was so disturbing. Several weeks later I got a call from the Police asking me to come down to the station as I had been reported for physical assault!

The lucky thing for me was that my partner had been with me at the time of this incident, it had been the middle of the afternoon, in the middle of the town main street, directly opposite the Police Station, so you couldn't get more public than that. I gave my statement and my partner gave his supporting statement and I heard nothing further from the police. That was about eight or nine months ago. I just assumed the police had let it go as I had a witness to events and my sister had not.

A few days back our other sister discovered a string of messages in her FB 'other folder' from our younger sister, from that time that she hadn't been aware of up till now, accusing me of sexual assault! She said that I had sexually assaulted her in the middle of the main street that day. At this point she has accused exactly half her immediate family members (and numerous others) of sexually assaulting her. This looks to me like the police took an allegation of sexual assault from my sister but never made me aware of it. I have not been accused of this in any official capacity but have been accused of it in those private messages from that time.

I would appreciate Mumsnet posters opinion on what to do from here? Should I let this go and forget about it as, if the report was made in an official capacity (which I believe it was) it was not taken seriously; or should I contact the police again (as I feel inclined to do) and insist on knowing if I have been accused of sexual assault here? And if so, honestly I would want my sister charged with making a false allegation.

There are obviously disturbing questions around whether my sister has ever been sexually assaulted in her life, and whether this behaviour points to something in her past, but whether or not that's the case she cannot spend her life going around making this enormously hurtful and damaging accusation wherever she sees fit. I am in a state of shock about the content of those messages and just feeling so lucky that I had an eye witness to the incident that day.

So should I let it go or pursue it? Yes I get that she has mental health issues, but it is just fucking outrageous that she thinks she make this allegation towards innocent people repeatedly on and off throughout her whole adult life. This kind of thing destroys lives just as surely as sexual assault itself. Also, for all I know (I don't know much about this) an uninvestigated allegation of this nature could lurk somewhere in my record and come back to harm me should I ever need a police check into my background.

I am so disturbed by this. Yes my sister needs help, but surely I should take steps to protect my reputation here? Another argument is that there's no damage to my reputation at present, but could be if I pursued this. I just don't know what to do for the best and would appreciate any advice.

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peoplewhoannoyyou · 04/05/2020 13:41

I think you need to ease her out of your life. Not drop her suddenly, that would most likely result in another false allegation against you.

The only allegation that might have some merit is the parental abuse one. Abusers are very good at hiding the abuse and it is perfectly plausible that they would abuse one of their children but not the others. Children are born at different stages of a parent's life; the conditions that facilitated the abuse may only have been present at a certain time, also it's possible that they had developed fantasies while the older children grew up but only decided to act on them when the youngest came along.

My first instinct would be to say "let it go" - not because that is the right thing to do, just to limit the damage to yourself. The trouble is, if she makes repeated allegations against you, the more likely it becomes that something will stick to you. Even if action isn't taken, the mere allegation of sexual criminality against you will be logged and could be found out by future employers if, say, you wanted to work with vulnerable people. This is especially true if there are multiple accusations - many will think "no smoke without fire" when it comes to sexual abuse.

The problem is I don't think she will let you go easily. If - and I'm not making any assumption - she falsely accused her parents, she will have few qualms about falsely accusing you. She may even be genuinely accusing you, in her own mind. That's why I suggested "easing her out" of your life. Slowly, calmly, not letting her know you are anything other than completely on her side.

Your alternative is to refuse to listen to her and her complaints, to keep badgering the authorities to deal with her. This is a risky strategy since her default position seems to be to cry sexual assault, but in the long run may see her get the help she needs.

Good luck.

What2dohere · 04/05/2020 13:54

Thank you for your advice Peoplewhoannoyyou. I have to reiterate though that my parents did not sexually assault anyone and the accusation that they had has already caused a tsunami of grief and harm. My sister is psychotic in the literal sense of the term and has a deeply unhealthy fixation on sexual assault, which she is prepared to wield as a weapon, regardless how ridiculous the circumstances - i.e. straight facing the police station in front of a witness in broad daylight!

Also thankfully my sister is not in my life. Recent circumstances had forced me to spend some time near the area where she lives last year, which is why we'd run into each other twice in a short space of time.

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Apple1029 · 04/05/2020 14:01

She is seriously disturbed and toxic as well. If she could so blatantly accuse you, I wouldn't believe a thing that comes out of her mouth. For your safety and own sanity I would cut her completely out.

sergeilavrov · 04/05/2020 14:06

I agree with @peoplewhoannoyyou. Unfortunately, you can’t know for sure that your parents never did that. Childhood sexual abuse can contribute to lifelong mental health problems. I’m sorry for your situation, but I think it’s important to consider that - as upsetting as it is to think of - something happening in childhood could potentially trigger this behaviour. If possible, if you see her, turn around and walk away. It’s going to make it more clear who is harassing who. I don’t think going to the police will help, and could make closure more difficult.

2bazookas · 04/05/2020 14:10

Poor you.

I suggest that you get in touch with local mental health charities in your area? They support suffering families as well as the mentally ill, , and will be well used to advising innocent victims of delusions like yourself.

Your GP surgery should be able to supply contact addresses and numbers.

What2dohere · 04/05/2020 14:13

Can I ask that posters please refrain from speculating that my parents were a pair of peadophiles? It is untrue, hurtful and has already caused a great deal of pain in our family historically.

If it satisfies posters entertaining this speculation (though I doubt it will) my family have already had profuse apologies from my sister back in the late 90's for these allegations - before she turned around and accused the butcher, the baker and the candlestick maker of doing the same thing.

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MsTSwift · 04/05/2020 14:14

Make a clear dated note of everything and report mad threats so there is a paper trail in the unlikely event there are ever any charges brought. Don’t know what else to suggest poor you sounds awful

Justkeepswimmingdory · 04/05/2020 14:15

How old is her child? Poor kid will be so messed up

daytriptovulcan · 04/05/2020 14:15

You might do with some legal advise re stuff left pending on your police file. Look at a restraining order against her to put an end to her stalking you, as you ve been repeatedly assaulted as well. As a minimum, no contact might be advisable...she is a fairly dangerous character.

Vampyress · 04/05/2020 14:18

I do get the frightening feeling someone has at some stage assaulted your sister in her childhood, resulting a fractured mental state. Regardless, it sounds like you need to speak to the police, doctors and any other official individuals to get advise on this situation and how to protect yourself and your family from your sister.

Beebie2 · 04/05/2020 14:19

I just want to say, false allegations of rape, despite being exceptionally serious are also exceptionally rare.

Jupiters · 04/05/2020 14:23

And if so, honestly I would want my sister charged with making a false allegation
This is not something you can do. If she had made a false statement then the CPS theoretically could charge her for the offence of purjury. However there is never much of an appetite to charge "victims" as it might put true victims off reporting.

You might want to get some form of civil injunction. Best to speak to a solicitor for advice.

ludothedog · 04/05/2020 14:25

Hmmm it does read like Police haven't taken her allegations seriously but you are right that it may be held somewhere on Police records. I don't know if you can do a FOI request to Police to see what they hold in relation to you? I don't know how that would work, a solicitor should be able to give you advice on that.

My instinct however is to leave it alone. The more you stir things up then you run the risk of your sister becoming distressed again resulting in more allegations.

ChrissieKeller61 · 04/05/2020 14:26

Can you get an enhanced DBS to see everything on your file ? When I applied something was on there I wasn’t expecting and I got an opportunity to review it and add my comments. I don’t believe the police would have ever allowed me to see it as it was an allegation not taken further.

JamieLeeCurtains · 04/05/2020 14:31

I'd follow it up with the police, yes. I couldn't afford for that 'soft data' to appear on my enhanced DBS check. And, mental illness or not, everyone needs strong boundaries to be shown to them.

I've had a close friend in a horribly similar situation, and eventually they reported it to the police (who were helpful). Similarly, there was severe mental unwellness involved, but it had to stop. It was like a form of blackmail.

Iwantacookie · 04/05/2020 14:33

@Jupiter's I wondered the same thing. I dont think your going to get to the bottom of it but she does need help. I feel for you all.

JamieLeeCurtains · 04/05/2020 14:37

Btw I do agree that it's likely that these women were abused somehow and/or treated in a sexually inappropriate way, when young, and need professional help to process it safely and accurately. They are usually victims who fractured.

But they still need boundaries.

SparkyBlue · 04/05/2020 14:38

OP I have no advice for you but my mil went through a phase of accusing people of sexual assault as well. She had mental health issues also and similar to your sister all the allegations were of events that for various reasons couldn't possibly have happened . The whole situation is very difficult to explain if you haven't experienced so I understand a bit of what you are going through. When she went into a care home she constantly accused other residents of having loud sex again something which wasn't happening. However I do personally believe that my poor mil was sexually assaulted at a young age and obviously never told anyone at the time

Haffdonga · 04/05/2020 14:39

I'm sorry for your whole family that this is happening. Your sister sounds very ill. You say it is just fucking outrageous that she thinks she make this allegation towards innocent people and ask if you should pursue it. Presumably your sister's illness is causing her to believe this allegation is true so criminalising her for reporting something she genuinely believes is not necessarily going to make her behaviour change, I guess. I can understand that you are upset and worried but would it make anything better for you or would it create more distress and conflict between you and your sister?

If you want to know what the police hold on file about you you have the right to ask to see a copy of your records so this might be a first step to decide if you need to take things further.

www.gov.uk/copy-of-police-records

JamieLeeCurtains · 04/05/2020 14:39

Jupiters in my friend's case the police went in with a harassment warning as an opener.

rattusrattus20 · 04/05/2020 14:45

the clean, easy way out of a sitation like this is [yep, there isn't one, it's all ghastly stuff whichever way you look].

By the sound of things OP's niece will be the big loser in all this.

Beebie2 · 04/05/2020 14:47

Disclaimer 2
It’s not common either for women (or men) who are sexually assaulted in childhood, to then create false allegations in later life.

Clearly if a false allegation is made, it is a serious crime, however it is not common place as a response to this type of trauma.

stretchedmarks · 04/05/2020 14:47

False allegations aren't as rare as you'd think. In my town alone there have been several and they've had horrendous consequences on the men involved. The women in question have served jail time, but they continue to lead a relatively normal life. It's disgusting.

In OPs case, it's clear that most, if not all, of these accusations have been made up. I have the utmost sympathy for anyone who experiences sexual assault (I speak from experience), but that does not permit you to spend the rest of your life accusing every Tom, Dick and Harry of something they did not do.

OP, I'd probably go to the police if only for the sake of her child. I think at this point the priority needs to be regarding her safety, and getting her out of there if possible. I think you also need to protect yourself because I can't see your sister stopping- the accusations will get worse.

It sounds like a dreadful situation and I hope you can resolve it sooner rather than later Flowers

What2dohere · 04/05/2020 14:54

Thank you very much for your comments. I agree taking legal advice is the way to go. An injunction, if possible, may be wise.

Social services are apparently "offering additional supports" to my sister, whatever that means. Our other sister has had to report her roughly every eighteen months or so these last few years. It's just an ongoing nightmare.

I just want to say, false allegations of rape, despite being exceptionally serious are also exceptionally rare.

I am aware of that, but it is cold comfort to anyone on the receiving end of vexatious sexual assault allegations. In fact the very rare nature of them adds to peoples sense of incredulity when they are made - the 'no smoke without fire' default position many people take is actually quite terrifying. I am just so thankful that her allegations against me are so blatantly absurd, and that the incident in question was witnessed.

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What2dohere · 04/05/2020 15:01

Clearly if a false allegation is made, it is a serious crime, however it is not common place as a response to this type of trauma.

Yes, luckily it is not a common response, because sexual assault itself is extremely common, and if a reasonably sized proportion of its victims went around accusing all and sundry of sexual assault the world would look very different to how it does. I think people massively underestimate the extent of actual sexual assault against women and children, because the taboo against discussing it is only beginning to lift.

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