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False allegation of sexual assault - what to do here??!

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What2dohere · 04/05/2020 13:26

NC for this one. The long story short is that myself and my younger sister are both forty-something women. My sister has had mental health issues treated with anti-psychotic drugs since her late teens. At around the time she was first diagnosed (and in part the reason she was diagnosed) was because she was accusing all and sundry of sexually assaulting her. She was staying with me at the time, came home with mad stories about teams of men trying to drag her into vans, replete with the 'evidence' of supposedly torn clothing etc.

Alarm bells first started ringing for me straight away after she showed me the clothing that she said had been partially ripped from her body. This was the same day the police interviewed her, at my insistence. I saw that the stitching in the trouser leg had been worked loose, basically the seam had been let down, there was no tearing of the material, and it was a double crease if you know what I mean, so that the stitching had been removed from the line where it sewed material together three times over. I was thinking that is very odd; it's not the sort of damage you'd expect from a mad melee where three men are trying to drag you into a van. It was too careful and methodical to fit the scene that she'd described. That was the first of the alarm bells that all was not as it seemed.

The second alarm bell came within days, when she accused both of our parents (one of whom is deceased) of sexually assaulting her in childhood. This confirmed my suspicions that she was fabricating sexual assault stories. I know my own parents, was raised in the same house, they were a long way from perfect but they sure as shit were not perverts. Also they raised several children; were we expected to believe they discovered their perversions only when it came to their youngest daughter?!

Twenty-something years on and numerous breakdowns later, during which time various other people have been accused of sexual assault, my sister is not in a good way at all. She has been medicated on and off for all this time, but unfortunately takes herself off her meds routinely. She is a single mother under the observation of social services for numerous reasons including her daughter fleeing the house for her own safety. Myself and other family members have had to step in at various points and report to social services for safeguarding issues.

Twice last year she physically assaulted me in the street and both times I had to defend myself. The first time I let it go but the second I contacted social services to report that she was charging at me in the street raging with aggression and hostility out of nowhere and for no reason, as this obviously meant she was back off her meds. Physically she didn't do much damage, although the crazy bug-eyed animosity was so disturbing. Several weeks later I got a call from the Police asking me to come down to the station as I had been reported for physical assault!

The lucky thing for me was that my partner had been with me at the time of this incident, it had been the middle of the afternoon, in the middle of the town main street, directly opposite the Police Station, so you couldn't get more public than that. I gave my statement and my partner gave his supporting statement and I heard nothing further from the police. That was about eight or nine months ago. I just assumed the police had let it go as I had a witness to events and my sister had not.

A few days back our other sister discovered a string of messages in her FB 'other folder' from our younger sister, from that time that she hadn't been aware of up till now, accusing me of sexual assault! She said that I had sexually assaulted her in the middle of the main street that day. At this point she has accused exactly half her immediate family members (and numerous others) of sexually assaulting her. This looks to me like the police took an allegation of sexual assault from my sister but never made me aware of it. I have not been accused of this in any official capacity but have been accused of it in those private messages from that time.

I would appreciate Mumsnet posters opinion on what to do from here? Should I let this go and forget about it as, if the report was made in an official capacity (which I believe it was) it was not taken seriously; or should I contact the police again (as I feel inclined to do) and insist on knowing if I have been accused of sexual assault here? And if so, honestly I would want my sister charged with making a false allegation.

There are obviously disturbing questions around whether my sister has ever been sexually assaulted in her life, and whether this behaviour points to something in her past, but whether or not that's the case she cannot spend her life going around making this enormously hurtful and damaging accusation wherever she sees fit. I am in a state of shock about the content of those messages and just feeling so lucky that I had an eye witness to the incident that day.

So should I let it go or pursue it? Yes I get that she has mental health issues, but it is just fucking outrageous that she thinks she make this allegation towards innocent people repeatedly on and off throughout her whole adult life. This kind of thing destroys lives just as surely as sexual assault itself. Also, for all I know (I don't know much about this) an uninvestigated allegation of this nature could lurk somewhere in my record and come back to harm me should I ever need a police check into my background.

I am so disturbed by this. Yes my sister needs help, but surely I should take steps to protect my reputation here? Another argument is that there's no damage to my reputation at present, but could be if I pursued this. I just don't know what to do for the best and would appreciate any advice.

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NotDavidTennant · 04/05/2020 15:02

As Haffdonga has said, you sister most likely believes these allegations are true. Reporting her to the authorities is not likely to teach her anything, other than perhaps to distrust you even more than she already does.

As outraged as you understandably are, it is better to think of your sister as someone who is unwell and doesn't have a full grip on what's real or not, rather than thinking of her as someone who is acting with malicious intent.

Beebie2 · 04/05/2020 15:06

False allegations are as rare as I think.

Just because you have incidents local to you does not make them common.

England&wales; rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/about-sexual-violence/myths-vs-realities/
This is a quote from the above;
“ Fact: Disproportionate media focus on false rape allegations can give the impression it's common for people to lie about sexual violence. This is not true. False allegations of rape are very rare. Most victims and survivors never report to the police. One reason for this is the fear of not being believed.”

Further info from rape crisis Scotland; www.rapecrisisscotland.org.uk/false-allegations/

Beebie2 · 04/05/2020 15:07

My last post was aimed @stretchedmarks

What2dohere · 04/05/2020 15:11

Having been exposed to my sisters turn of mind for over forty years I am well aware how it operates. There is a mix of fantasy and malignancy combined here. She is perfectly well aware that she is lying, she always has been; but her mental illness impairs her ability to restrain herself from indulging in lies.

False allegations aren't as rare as you'd think. In my town alone there have been several and they've had horrendous consequences on the men involved.

I can guarantee for every false accusation story you are aware of, there are a shocking number of allegations that should have been made and were not. Most victims of sexual assault behave nothing like my sister, most of them don't seek any kind of legal recourse and many of them don't even seek counselling support.

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What2dohere · 04/05/2020 15:12

Crossed posts Beebie2, no problem!

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hoodathunkit · 04/05/2020 15:13

In my experience false allegations are quite common and are a result, very often of bad therapy.

If a person has schizophrenia or another serious mental illness it is not uncommon for them to have delusions that they have been abused in various ways, including sexually, and including by their family.

My personal experience is of knowing various women attending dodgy therapists and therapy groups, then "recovering" memories of sexual abuse including satanic ritual abuse.

OP do you know naything about whether your sister has been in therapy or in receipt of mental health services, and if so do you have details?

I have to opo out for a while but can post a lot more details about this if it would help.

Beebie2 · 04/05/2020 15:13

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walkingchuckydoll · 04/05/2020 15:17

I just want to say, false allegations of rape, despite being exceptionally serious are also exceptionally rare.

Really? Because I know of exactly 2 women who have done that. Both I suspect of having psychiatric problems so I don't think it's done out of revenge or anything. In one case I'm a witness for the accused party so it hasn't been to court yet but I know and am not speculating. It seems that if it is so very rare it's funny that I know of two cases. I think it's awful and makes it harder for genuine victims to get justice for what happened to them.

OP, I'd cut her out of your life in any way to protect yourself. I'm so sorry that this happened to you and your family.

Thelnebriati · 04/05/2020 15:19

Your sister is extremely unwell, needs an intervention and medical support. That's not something you can get involved with now.

All you can do is to investigate to see if any harm has been done to your reputation (I suspect it hasn't since the police have not spoken to you about any accusations) and limit any potential future harm as much as you can.
I think you need to speak to a solicitor.

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What2dohere · 04/05/2020 15:26

OP do you know naything about whether your sister has been in therapy or in receipt of mental health services, and if so do you have details?

My sister had never been in therapy when all this started. Whether she's been in therapy since I do not know. She's been under psychiatric care in terms of her diagnosis and medication, so presumably there'll have been counselling involved. If not presumably there ought to have been.

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Beebie2 · 04/05/2020 15:27

@hoodathunkit

Definitely have a read of this;
rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/about-sexual-violence/myths-vs-realities/

False allegations are not common.

muckycat · 04/05/2020 15:27

I would want to do a FOI or records check to find out exactly what is held on file about you if anything.

My work involves enhanced police checks and this could raise issues. I think you need to be aware in case your work now or in the future is the same (say, you want to work with vulnerable people or children).

You can then seek legal advice about the records if need be.

In terms of reporting her false allegations, I would personally stay away from this in favour of distancing myself from her. A non molestation order (sorry, prob not the correct term but you know the kind of thing I mean) might be part of this.

This would be partly out of compassion for her psychiatric issues although I understand it is hard when your life could have been affected, and partly because you don't want to provoke her into making more allegations against you.

Is her GP or mental health team fully aware of the extent of her behaviour? If you don't know, it might be beneficial to update them on what has happened. I don't imagine they would be able to discuss her treatment with you but it might be useful to put them in the picture.

What2dohere · 04/05/2020 15:30

I absolutely do know that my parents were not paedophiles @Graphista, and I know it without any shadow of a doubt. I am sorry to hear of your own abusive history, but please stop projecting it onto my family.

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Beebie2 · 04/05/2020 15:31

@walkingchuckydoll

Have a read of the link I posted too.

You knowing 2 women does not make it common.

You say It’s not been to court yet, how do you know it’s a false allegation? To get to court there must be a large amount of evidence, very, very few sexual assaults get to court.

hoodathunkit · 04/05/2020 15:31

@hoodathunkit

Definitely have a read of this;
rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/about-sexual-violence/myths-vs-realities/

False allegations are not common.

I have serious concerns about some of the organisations promoted by the organisation in your link

I don't have time to post them now but will be doing so, will llinks to support my position, later

EmeraldShamrock · 04/05/2020 15:31

She probably didn't tell the police. It sounds like she has false memories, was there another family member about as DC an uncle? Parents friend? Who may have hurt her. I would cut her out for the moment, it is very sad she is ill. She needs professional help.
MH issues causes false memories is very common.
I know when I was ill I thought all sorts of mad stuff, I still get vivid false memories but I know they're false.

hoodathunkit · 04/05/2020 15:33

Also, just for the record, I was sexually abuse as a child and none of my abusers were punished

The fight to protect adults and children against sexual abuse is not a fight against innocent people who have been falsely accused

The fight for justice is a fight for justice and truth and I fight for both

Beebie2 · 04/05/2020 15:35

@hoodathunkit You take issue with rape crisis?

Beebie2 · 04/05/2020 15:36

@hoodathunkit

Not only that, but the link I gave you links through to U.K. crime statistics.

Jayfeem · 04/05/2020 15:38

What a hideous situation 💐 I’m glad the accusations are so absurd you can be reassured you’re protected.

In terms of having her charged that’s for the police/CPS to decide, it would be almost impossible for you to prove that you definitely didn’t if that makes sense.

You can certainly speak with a civil solicitor re take an injunction preventing her from contacting you again, but if she generally leaves you alone it may trigger her into saying awful things to more people.

I’m not sure an injunction could cover her ever speaking about the accusation again to others, but perhaps someone else more clued up could comment.

It’s worth a try speaking but police, but I suspect there will be many things they don’t have to release. As an earlier P said apply for an enhanced DBS and that way if there’s anything recorded you can add you comments. Hopefully as no interview/charge/conviction took place there will be nothing - and in fact, hopefully she never even went to the police and this is another delusion.

What a horrible thing to have hanging over you. Your sister is very, very unwell and I hope she at one stage on her life gets the support she needs.

Beebie2 · 04/05/2020 15:38

@hoodathunkit

Rape crisis Scotland
www.rapecrisisscotland.org.uk/false-allegations/

T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 04/05/2020 15:40

Im not going to access your parents of sexual assault OP, but it is possible she was abused by a trusted friend of the family or someone whose care she was in regularly. My siblings and I were all abused and my oldest sister still makes up lots of stories of abuse that was supposed to have happened to her, by people who could not possibly have touched her and then went on to start accusing all and sundry of sexually abusing her children. Again a lot of these people were nowhere near her children. The children, now adults like you niece, no longer have contact with her.

Ironically she accused me of making up the fact that I was sexually assaulted by someone we both met on holiday. 🤷‍♀️

Get her out of your life, because it won’t get any easier. Be prepared for the threats of suicide and the attempts that will be made, just as someone walks into the room. I had over 20yrs of the emotional blackmail and threats of suicide. She’s still going strong at nearly 60. Btw, I’m not saying that all that attempt suicide are not serious, but there’s the manipulative fucker too.

EdwinaMay · 04/05/2020 15:43

I don't think anyone has advised seeing a solicitor, that's what I would do , you might have to pay.
I think the fall out from this sort of thing could be very serious for you, though it'a unlikely to happen, but for your own peace of mind speak to someone who can advise you properly.
It's difficult for the police they aren't lawyers and they can't appear to believe one person or another just because it seems plausible, they can only go on the evidence they have which is that someone says you attacked them.
Write all the details down and dates and speak to a solicitor.

MouthBreathingRage · 04/05/2020 15:44

You have to keep away from your sister. She's evidently very unwell, but she's also a danger to people close to her. Sadly, it sounds to me like something awfully traumatic (and quite likely a sexual assault) happened to her at some point, either once or several times and pushing it away in her head has caused psychosis. I'm not a doctor, but I have seen it happen to a family member. Transpired they had been sexually assaulted in a situation that you could never even imagine there was a chance of it happening, but when the truth eventually came out, it had damaged them beyond help any family member could give.

I really hope someone professional will her her soon, before she really causes harm to herself or someone else.

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