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False allegation of sexual assault - what to do here??!

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What2dohere · 04/05/2020 13:26

NC for this one. The long story short is that myself and my younger sister are both forty-something women. My sister has had mental health issues treated with anti-psychotic drugs since her late teens. At around the time she was first diagnosed (and in part the reason she was diagnosed) was because she was accusing all and sundry of sexually assaulting her. She was staying with me at the time, came home with mad stories about teams of men trying to drag her into vans, replete with the 'evidence' of supposedly torn clothing etc.

Alarm bells first started ringing for me straight away after she showed me the clothing that she said had been partially ripped from her body. This was the same day the police interviewed her, at my insistence. I saw that the stitching in the trouser leg had been worked loose, basically the seam had been let down, there was no tearing of the material, and it was a double crease if you know what I mean, so that the stitching had been removed from the line where it sewed material together three times over. I was thinking that is very odd; it's not the sort of damage you'd expect from a mad melee where three men are trying to drag you into a van. It was too careful and methodical to fit the scene that she'd described. That was the first of the alarm bells that all was not as it seemed.

The second alarm bell came within days, when she accused both of our parents (one of whom is deceased) of sexually assaulting her in childhood. This confirmed my suspicions that she was fabricating sexual assault stories. I know my own parents, was raised in the same house, they were a long way from perfect but they sure as shit were not perverts. Also they raised several children; were we expected to believe they discovered their perversions only when it came to their youngest daughter?!

Twenty-something years on and numerous breakdowns later, during which time various other people have been accused of sexual assault, my sister is not in a good way at all. She has been medicated on and off for all this time, but unfortunately takes herself off her meds routinely. She is a single mother under the observation of social services for numerous reasons including her daughter fleeing the house for her own safety. Myself and other family members have had to step in at various points and report to social services for safeguarding issues.

Twice last year she physically assaulted me in the street and both times I had to defend myself. The first time I let it go but the second I contacted social services to report that she was charging at me in the street raging with aggression and hostility out of nowhere and for no reason, as this obviously meant she was back off her meds. Physically she didn't do much damage, although the crazy bug-eyed animosity was so disturbing. Several weeks later I got a call from the Police asking me to come down to the station as I had been reported for physical assault!

The lucky thing for me was that my partner had been with me at the time of this incident, it had been the middle of the afternoon, in the middle of the town main street, directly opposite the Police Station, so you couldn't get more public than that. I gave my statement and my partner gave his supporting statement and I heard nothing further from the police. That was about eight or nine months ago. I just assumed the police had let it go as I had a witness to events and my sister had not.

A few days back our other sister discovered a string of messages in her FB 'other folder' from our younger sister, from that time that she hadn't been aware of up till now, accusing me of sexual assault! She said that I had sexually assaulted her in the middle of the main street that day. At this point she has accused exactly half her immediate family members (and numerous others) of sexually assaulting her. This looks to me like the police took an allegation of sexual assault from my sister but never made me aware of it. I have not been accused of this in any official capacity but have been accused of it in those private messages from that time.

I would appreciate Mumsnet posters opinion on what to do from here? Should I let this go and forget about it as, if the report was made in an official capacity (which I believe it was) it was not taken seriously; or should I contact the police again (as I feel inclined to do) and insist on knowing if I have been accused of sexual assault here? And if so, honestly I would want my sister charged with making a false allegation.

There are obviously disturbing questions around whether my sister has ever been sexually assaulted in her life, and whether this behaviour points to something in her past, but whether or not that's the case she cannot spend her life going around making this enormously hurtful and damaging accusation wherever she sees fit. I am in a state of shock about the content of those messages and just feeling so lucky that I had an eye witness to the incident that day.

So should I let it go or pursue it? Yes I get that she has mental health issues, but it is just fucking outrageous that she thinks she make this allegation towards innocent people repeatedly on and off throughout her whole adult life. This kind of thing destroys lives just as surely as sexual assault itself. Also, for all I know (I don't know much about this) an uninvestigated allegation of this nature could lurk somewhere in my record and come back to harm me should I ever need a police check into my background.

I am so disturbed by this. Yes my sister needs help, but surely I should take steps to protect my reputation here? Another argument is that there's no damage to my reputation at present, but could be if I pursued this. I just don't know what to do for the best and would appreciate any advice.

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tootiredtoconga · 04/05/2020 15:45

She is perfectly well aware that she is lying, she always has been; but her mental illness impairs her ability to restrain herself from indulging in lies.

If this is true then why has she been diagnosed with a psychotic illness and prescribed antipsychotic medication? Psychosis does not make people more likely "indulge" in telling "lies" as you put it. It makes people believe, with absolute certainty, thing that aren't true even when they are presented with evidence. I can understand you feeling angry with your sister, but paranoid delusional beliefs are not the same thing as lies.

Dialdownthedrama · 04/05/2020 15:57

@tootiredtoconga. OP didn't say her DSis had been diagnosed with psychosis, she said she'd been prescribed anti-psychotics.

Which are not just prescribed in psychosis but also prescribed in personality, mood and even anxiety disorders.

Cherrysoup · 04/05/2020 16:04

I feel very sorry for you, OP. My advice is to keep well away from her. A friend had this issue, as did a lot of his colleagues, social workers, basically anyone a certain person came across, male or female, they were accused of sexual assault, stealing underwear etc, even if on the day in question they hadn’t been anywhere near her or the town she lived in. There were also accusations of following and stalking her, people told they were smoking under her flat when a) they’d been at work miles away and b) didn’t smoke. In this case, I think it was the same as what you describe, OP, definitely a certain malignancy.

NotDavidTennant · 04/05/2020 16:10

OP didn't say her DSis had been diagnosed with psychosis, she said she'd been prescribed anti-psychotics.

She says it in her second post.

hoodathunkit · 04/05/2020 16:15

OP

in a hurry but please read the information here if your sister has been in therapy or treated by mental health professionals you have concerns about

@hoodathunkit You take issue with rape crisis?

I definitely take issue with some rape crisis services, I cannot comment on all of them

Even the services I am concerned about may be staffed by well meaning women who do not understand that the therapies they use can generate false memories - I am not saying that all rape crisis centres use such therapies but some definitely do. I can prove it and have been researching it for some time.

As for Rape Crisis Scotland, I am extremely concerned about 2 organisations they recommend on their links

Open Secret aka Wellbeing Scotland (links to shady organisation The Fresh Start Foundation, that promotes bizarre conspiracy theories, including antisemitic conspiracy theories about satanic ritual abuse), also they were involved in controversies about funding and service provision that had many similariites to the Kids Company fiasco. Then there was the Bruce Hotchkies "feminazi" controversy

All of this can be easily found online

Then there is the charity Eighteen and Under, no time to give details now but will happily do so later.

It may be that RCS is completely unaware of these controversies. Maybe they don't care. I would love to know and would be delighted to discuss the issues fully with a representative of Rape Crisis Scotland later tonight if they would like to join me for a conversation here

hoodathunkit · 04/05/2020 16:16

sorry OP

this was the link I meant to post, am very late so please excuse the rushed post

bfms.org.uk

Dialdownthedrama · 04/05/2020 16:16

She says 'she's psychotic' but then goes on to say she is aware of her lies which isn't psychosis. What people say is 'psychotic' doesn't usually correlate with the diagnosis.

Perhaps OP could clarify?

hoodathunkit · 04/05/2020 16:29

According to the Fresh Start Foundation they are sponsored by Open Secret / Wellbeing Scotland

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20200504152607/www.freshstartfoundation.co.uk/sponsors/open-secretwellbeing-scotland/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20200504152607/www.freshstartfoundation.co.uk/sponsors/open-secretwellbeing-scotland/

This is the kind of campaigning and awareness that the FSF get involved in

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20200504152214/www.freshstartfoundation.co.uk/category/uk-corruption/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20200504152214/www.freshstartfoundation.co.uk/category/uk-corruption/

I just wondered whether you felt this was at all credible?

hoodathunkit · 04/05/2020 16:36

Personally I believe that batshit insane allegations of satanic ritual abuse do a lot of harm to the credibility of real survivors of sexual abuse

Those of us who suffered real child sexual abuse and who were referred to derranged SRA promoting therapists are at risk of having our abuse dismissed and our credibility undermined because of these "therapists", many of whom are riding a significant gravy train on the back of false accusations and the exploitation of vulnerable people

Want2beme · 04/05/2020 16:52

I would consult a solicitor. In this situation I'd just prefer to seek legal counsel for peace of mind. I'd also want to discuss the benefit of a restraining order against her. I just wouldn't be able to handle living under the threat of further false allegations.

walkingchuckydoll · 04/05/2020 16:53

@Beebie2
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You say It’s not been to court yet, how do you know it’s a false allegation?*

Because I'm the witness and was with her when she claimed it happened. It didn't. She just has severe mental health problems. I don't doubt that she believes it herself though, but it did not happen.

I'm also not in the UK so maybe it's easier to get it to court here?

Beebie2 · 04/05/2020 16:57

Sorry you feel that way.

I experienced ‘real child sexual abuse’ (as you put it) too.

My rape crisis support saved my life, so I’m clearly biased. I didn’t have a well meaning woman to provide my therapy, I had a highly qualified, professional counsellor who provided an exceptional service. The team she worked with were phenomenal, but I can only speak for that particular centre.

I still don’t agree however, that false allegations are common. You can disagree with some practices, in some centres, and be cross about other organisations that they promote, but you also, cannot speak for all centres.

hoodathunkit · 04/05/2020 17:01

Here's a link detailing just some issues of concern re the organisation 18 and Under and its founder Laurie Matthew and her promotion of conspiracy theories about satanic ritual abuse

saff.nfshost.com/rans.htm

Matthew also founded the charity Izzy's Promise, a controversial orgnanisation known for its promotion of, yes, you guessed it, conspiracy theories about SRA, as detailed in this uncritical "news" story alleging that Jimmy Savile was a satanist

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/533091/EXCLUSIVE-Charities-claim-satanic-abuse-children-rife

It may be that Rape Crisis Scotland is unaware that it is promoting controversial organisations that promote bizarre conspiracy theories to vulnerable people. It is hard to know what is going on. I would love to hear from someone from Rape Crisis Scotland and would welcome the opportunity to talk them about my concerns

Beebie2 · 04/05/2020 17:06

@walkingchuckydoll

In the UK 1.7% of reported rapes are prosecuted, it’s very low. A large number go unreported due to a lack of faith in the system. So the % of actual rapes prosecuted is insanely low.

I don’t know how that compares with where you are. In the U.K. its likely that your friend’s case wouldn’t have made it past the CPS.

hoodathunkit · 04/05/2020 17:10

Sorry you feel that way.

I experienced ‘real child sexual abuse’ (as you put it) too.

I am so sorry you experienced child sexual abuse, I would not wish it on anyone Flowers

My rape crisis support saved my life, so I’m clearly biased. I didn’t have a well meaning woman to provide my therapy, I had a highly qualified, professional counsellor who provided an exceptional service. The team she worked with were phenomenal, but I can only speak for that particular centre.

I am really pleased to hear about people having good experiences, really I am.

My experience is extremely different. The therapists I saw were all highly qualified, all worked in the NHS, and all shared a bizarre delusion of Satanic ritual abuse. I wish it was not so, but it is. We can all only go on our own experiences of course. I have been left deeply traumatised by what happened to me. The repeated therapeutic abuse was the last thing I needed on top of the sexual abuse.

I still don’t agree however, that false allegations are common. You can disagree with some practices, in some centres, and be cross about other organisations that they promote, but you also, cannot speak for all centres.

I suppose it depends what you mean by "common" or "rare".

I was in therapy groups with people who "recovered" memories of SRA and incest.

I am friends with Kevin Felstead at the BFMS and I had the misfortune to receive therapy from one of the same vile network of quacks that Kevin's sister Carol did, before she died in mysterious circumstances.

The same network of charlatans were involved in the case of Carl Beech.

These people are, unfortunately, everywhere.

I am extremely pleased, for your sake, that you didn't have the misfortune to fall into their hands.

Beebie2 · 04/05/2020 17:11

I used rape crisis England and Wales. The centre I used were beyond phenomenal. I never came into contact with the founder, it was an independent centre (as I believe most are) but receives funding from them. I didn’t have any issue with the service standards that they provided me with and that they adhere to. I’m sorry you had a bad experience. Bad psychotherapy can be worse than no psychotherapy - I know from experience from other providers.

A lot of rape crisis Scotland’s resources have been helpful, but I didn’t access their counselling or individual centres.

hoodathunkit · 04/05/2020 17:12

In the UK 1.7% of reported rapes are prosecuted, it’s very low. A large number go unreported due to a lack of faith in the system. So the % of actual rapes prosecuted is insanely low.

I am not an authority on conviction rates but I know that the figure you have given has been disputed fairly recently

Beebie2 · 04/05/2020 17:14

I wasn’t aware nhs therapists worked for rape crisis in that capacity. The main reason I accessed their service was because they were independent. I had awful childhood psychotherapy with the nhs. Did me more harm than good.

Beebie2 · 04/05/2020 17:15

What is the up to date percentage?

Beebie2 · 04/05/2020 17:18

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-48095118

This has cps data too. I think I’ll leave it there though. It’s no longer answering the OPs question.

hoodathunkit · 04/05/2020 17:19

Beebie2

I am really pleased that you had a good experience

I research what I do not because I want to have a dig at rape crisis services, I simply want to help to stop therapy abuses and to help prevent vulnerable people from having the same appalling experience that I did

If anyone from any rape crisis service would like me to cast an informed, critical eye over their services I would be pleased to do so, and in fact probably have already done so

I was so horrified by what happened to me that I started to research the services and see what was going on in terms of services offered, types of therapy and services recommended in the links and resources sections

I want there to be good services for anyone who has suffered rape, sexual abuse or child sexual abuse

RRocket · 04/05/2020 17:22

This is awful OP.

Tbh it sounds like she should be receiving inpatient care.

How old are her children? So, she is aware she is lying, she doesn't actually believe that these numerous sexual assaults took place?

Beebie2 · 04/05/2020 17:27

I’m sorry that happened to you. I think it’s amazing that you’re pushing for improvements for other survivors.

I think its dangerous to call out all rape crisis centres based on bad practise in some. The one I accessed was amazing (as I’ve said repeatedly, I know, I will stop, promise!)

Like I said, I wasn’t aware NHS staff worked in rape crisis centres, in their NHS capacity, so I clearly don’t understand how some of them operate.

Thank you for all you do in improving support for survivors - I hope once I’m more fully recovered, I’ll have the capacity to support others too Smile

Beebie2 · 04/05/2020 17:28

Sorry that was for @hoodathunkit

hoodathunkit · 04/05/2020 17:28

I wasn’t aware nhs therapists worked for rape crisis in that capacity. The main reason I accessed their service was because they were independent. I had awful childhood psychotherapy with the nhs. Did me more harm than good.

To clarify

I had an experience of private therapy with a highly qualified therapist who also, unbeknown to me at the time, worked in the NHS. This person attempted to persuade me that I had dissociative identitiy disorder and had been abused by a satanic cult

Prior to that I had sought help via the NHS and been referred to a psychiatrist who, unbeknown to me that the time, was deeply involved in a controversial international organisation that promotes SRA conspiracy theories

Subsequent to both of these experiences I sought help because of the trauma of the original abuses but also the trauma of the bad therapy

The NHS psychologist I saw, I later discovered was a colleague of the earlier therapists and belonged to the same organisations

I then attempted to get some help via Victim Supportive services, this was after giving evidence to IISCA and reporting some incidents to the police.

All the supportive services I was referred to, when asked whether they gave credence to claims of SRA, replied that they absolutely did.

All I wanted was some help from a therapist or psychologist who was skeptical of SRA, not too much to ask I would have thought, but there was none to be found. A fact I find terrifying

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