To be very concerned that Boris Johnson said this

[Worriedmum54321]

From the Guardian:
Responding to the argument that a more stringent lockdown should have been imposed sooner, he said: “Don’t forget, it’s a very very demanding thing to ask a population to do – very tough – and so I think it was completely right to make our period of lockdown coincide as far as possible with the peak of the epidemic.”

Amelie Taylor you really think the government are putting the economy first ?
If so there would have been no lockdown and they wouldn't be giving money out like there is no tomorrow

Czechia locked down early and adopted masks early. Peaked at 20 deaths a day. Now they are emerging from lockdown with no second surge yet apparent.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/30/danes-and-czechs-say-easing-lockdowns-has-produced-no-covid-19-surge

They do have a smaller population than the UK at 10 million. So that’s equivalent to our peak being 120-150 deaths a day.

If anyone wants to see what happens when you lockdown early look at Greece. Schools closed before there was even a single fatality. They have 140 deaths now and thinking of relaxing the lockdown. Oh don't worry they will come up with an explanation for that, Boris was obviously right and if the figures don't prove it you just rubbish the figures.

"Kind of similar to how he was trying to pretend herd immunity was a great strategy a few weeks ago." herd immunity is what we will be relying on. Either through a vaccine or through people recovering from it.

Some people got it in their little heads that it was something invented by Boris that was rejected by science.

I can't help but wonder what your agenda is

My agenda?
Pandemic in China
Then Italy
Cases in York
We then went ahead with large events like Cheltenham and the football matches

What agenda could there be>

@thebridgelooksbroken

No. Germans are more compliant than us, if we'd locked down 2/3 weeks earlier there would have too few deaths and too few cases for people to take it seriously. Dry your eyes you're still hurting from December.

I also think we locked down at the right time, the fear of watching it unfold in other countries gave us the impetus to comply, but more importantly it means we open up later and get to watch how the other countries fare and learn from their lessons. Overall I think they managed it quite cleverly.

I’d also agree it’s a very complex decision and can’t get my head round folks who are armchair experts believing they know better.

I guess it’s always the same though.

No. Germans are more compliant than us, if we'd locked down 2/3 weeks earlier there would have too few deaths and too few cases for people to take it seriously

The UK people are very compliant.
Look at how well we have done so far

@Worriedmum54321 Exactly what I’ve been saying re. the NHS. The backlog is HUGE. When this is all over the NHS will be in a worse state trying to catch up on all the ‘routine’ care that was missed and delayed. It hasn’t coped at all, it’s just sacrificed some parts.

@polobelt

I just don't think that's true. The British have on the whole been pretty compliant. I think we could have locked down earlier, we were all expecting it.

Although you didn't like my other examples, NZ and Denmark did lock down whilst there were minimal numbers, in fact tiny numbers, and the population did comply.

I don't get the second half of your message.

@chomalungma we've done very well, the point I was making is there has to be a fear element (of catching the disease), and early on with a handful of deaths and a 100 cases or whatever the numbers were that wouldn't be there. If you lock down too early then lockdown can only last so long it's only tolerable for a certain amount of time so the stage you do it is all important. People are getting irritable now even. I'm not too fussed I've not been out for 5 weeks apart from with the dog.

@AlternativePerspective
I’m not seeing Singapore having a second wave? What figs did you have? Happy to be corrected.
www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/singapore/

@thebridgelooksbroken It's not that I didn't like your examples, of course I'd like the Uk to be on a par with NZ in terms of cases and deaths, it's just I don't think they're comparable with the UK, every country needs to take measures based on their own circumstances, it's not a one size fits all solution.

Spain and Italy only count hospital deaths

Could people stop regurgitating the same shit they read weeks ago on a DM headline? I can't talk about Italy but Spain's official count include care homes and dead at home when Covid is suspected but no test was made. The big jump in total deaths in Spain a month ago was when the autonomous regions finally passed the information to the central government when they finally sorted their problems with testing.

elpais.com/espana/madrid/2020-04-29/5811-muertes-por-covid-en-residencias-de-madrid-en-50-dias.html

He should have looked at what New Zealand did and done the same here. The UK and NZ have the same advantage and they made the most of that whereas Johnson was too weak willed to do it.

f you lock down too early then lockdown can only last so long it's only tolerable for a certain amount of time so the stage you do it is all important

That's true.

If we had locked down earlier, could we have released earlier?

Interesting questions - but we are where we are.

Lots of things to think about - and I thank God I don't have to make the decisions.

Economy vs lives.

Tbh for those countries breaking lockdown now we won’t know full effects for upto three weeks anyhow

Constant churning out of the sentence " we are listening to the science" points to who the Government is going to blame for their mistakes! We should have locked down properly not half hearted as we have done. From the first case in this country all flights in and out of the country should have stopped. ( And still there are flights in and out) Continuation of contact tracing should have continued diligently. The country should have completely shut down, now we have second.highest death toll in world. Needless deaths because economics before life mattered more and complete incompetent government who when lockdown was initiated said it's to save the NHS. Yes it was but real reason is they didn't want Joe public to see the real bad state NHS was in due to the running down caused by the Tories for the last 10 years under the guise of austerity measures. It was effectively to save the Tory parties butts as well as save lives. But they threw away anyone over 70 in carehomes and in the.community knowing this group would be hit hardest. 5 weeks in and only now are careworkers and carehomes being thought of as on the Frontline
This Government has a lot to answer for in the aftermath of this pandemic but they will try and lie their way through.

@polobelt

Of course! But I think Johnson took his herd-immunity gamble a step too far. Of course we will never be similar to NZ on cases, but to have a point where the public are asking for a lockdown is just unbelievable. Dominic Cummings and BOJO like to gamble and this time they got it wrong.

seeing as there lots of people moaning already maybe he was right-cant believe i said that

@chomalungma yes, if it's strictly adhered to, but that's my point, if people aren't onboard it's almost impossible to enforce. This is a reasonable explanation

m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=fCOkEXsfPoQ

yes, if it's strictly adhered to, but that's my point, if people aren't onboard it's almost impossible to enforce. This is a reasonable explanation

I don't need an explanation about social distancing and lockdown.

We've not done too badly. We could be better. We could be stricter. We could have done it earlier and then watched over countries do it worse.

We had the chance.

@GreyishDays

That large spike is in fact their second wave. They closed the country entirely at the beginning of March, restricted people to control that very small bump then relaxed a bit only to find the immigrant workers were spreading it amongst themselves in the dormitories they live in.

It makes sense if you think if it this way.

Most countries expect a 3 month Lockdown. That's why packages were all for 3 months.
There has to be a peak. There has to be a quick infection if lots of people in a controlled way.

Well actually - there doesn't.

But it's either a quick high infection and then lockdown to control it and gently ease out after 3 months or a much longer lockdown whilst you get the same numbers or figures over a longer period.
As horrific and devastating as the moralities are most of the people dying from this would die from it when ever they caught it.
As much as we hate the idea of herd immunity and in a way it is as cruel as it sounds it's also a necessity in some ways as no one is immune as it's new. We need some people who have developed immunity to be able to safety open up the country again.

It's a global pandemic. It was never going to be easy or nice to face the reality of or even accept and deal with with regards fatalities.

rosie has it ever crossed your mind how the magic money tree appeared miraciously? It's the only thing Corbyn got right.
There was no need for years and years of austerity, but don't worry the lowest paid and the young will be paying for all the bail outs for at least the next twenty years. Oh and then in December we have a no deal Brexit. Any thought of getting this economy on track is definately out the window!