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To wonder why people aren’t more angry?

520 replies

Rainbowb · 29/04/2020 23:09

Throughout this whole crisis I have really been surprised by the level of acceptance from everyone in this country of the whole situation. I know we haven’t had much choice in the decisions made and we’re probably a very polite nation as a whole but we have been so quick to accept the arrival of a deadly virus and drastic changes to our lives, seemingly without complaint. Is no-one out there demanding to know how on earth this was all able to happen? We’ve faced the huge loss of human life worldwide and it is continuing, surely we are all entitled to get angry and demand answers? I see grieving families, children missing out on being with other children and not having an education, families being separated indefinitely, people’s mental health suffering and vulnerable people potentially at risk and I feel so frustrated and angry. If we got fired up about climate change, why not this??

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Theflushedzebra · 30/04/2020 22:04

It's ok Piglet - these are hard times.

Piglet89 · 30/04/2020 22:11

🤗

JediJim · 30/04/2020 22:37

I think Boris thought we could escape a lockdown. After all, no one wants to close schools, pubs , restaurants and pay people to sit at home.
Then he was advised ( or Cummings was) that unless we lockdown then our NHS won’t cope and well see people dying in the hospital corridors. He then decided to implement the restrictions.
I agree maybe two or three weeks too late, but that’s hindsight.

Upherefordancing · 30/04/2020 23:37

Until you get it or know someone that's suffering badly, the natural response is to be angry and frustrated at the current lockdown measures.

A Facebook friend recently shared an interview with two US doctors (who turned out to be osteopaths) saying that doctors there were being forced to record any deaths as Covid19, when most deaths were caused by typically three underlying health issues and the virus was just extra.

I was about to share it until I read a response to the post from a nurse friend saying that the head of admin in the hospital she worked at had died aged 52, followed shortly by her husband and her mum and only the son of the family remained. Now I'm a bit more 😱

wafflyversatile · 30/04/2020 23:46

I'm angry at people blaming china for our own government's failings. I'm very angry at our government's failings and lies and failings and lies. I'm angry at NHS staff being told not to complain about the lies and lack of PPE. I'm angry that the people we rely on to keep working are not paid well enough. I'm angry at tax dodging cunts who think the government they wont pay tax to should bail them out.

ArriettyJones · 01/05/2020 04:43

A Facebook friend recently shared an interview with two US doctors (who turned out to be osteopaths) saying that doctors there were being forced to record any deaths as Covid19, when most deaths were caused by typically three underlying health issues and the virus was just extra.

Honestly, I have two relevant “underlying health issues” (and a couple more that haven’t been mentioned in relation to COVID risk) but I’m fine, they are under control. I’m mid forties and my life expectancy is normal or near-normal. I take my tablets and live my life like anyone else and most people I meet don’t know or suspect my medical history. DD who is late teens has two of the same conditions I have. Her life expectancy is also normal.

It’s downright creepy to read that people think my (or my daughter’s) dropping down dead tomorrow would be perfectly unsurprising and COVID could be written off as a mere “extra” issue if it killed me (or her). You must be completely cold-blooded.

There are millions of us all around you. None of us expecting to die anytime soon because of our much discussed “medical conditions”. I think the government emphasised the “underlying conditions” thing at the start both to warn those of us at increased risk and to dampen down panic, but now it’s being used to fuel batshit conspiracy theories, and it’s downright offensive.

I was about to share it until I read a response to the post from a nurse friend saying that the head of admin in the hospital she worked at had died aged 52, followed shortly by her husband and her mum and only the son of the family remained. Now I'm a bit more 😱

Good. Why would you even think of sharing conspiracy bollox like that? What’s got into everyone? Shock

RosesandIris · 01/05/2020 05:31

that doctors there were being forced to record any deaths as Covid19, when most deaths were caused by typically three underlying health issues and the virus was just extra.

I have heard this too. What are the three underlying conditions out of interest?
I assume blood pressure, obesity and diabetes?

ArriettyJones · 01/05/2020 05:39

I assumed it was another case of any three from the usual list @RosesandIris , which consists of about 12 conditions, including asthma.

As an asthmatic, particularly, it drives me loopy that people are talking about it as though it were a terminal disease, and that asthmatics who die of COVID don’t really “count”. I think that one bugs me most because of all the children out there with asthma, who seem to be classified as “expendable” by the loons.

Porridgeoat · 01/05/2020 08:32

Im a keyworker and I’m not angry. Why be consumed by anger? I don't have the brain space or the energy what with being so consumed in helping everyone get through. Better be productive and make the best out of a bad situation. There will be reflection and lessons learnt. The impact has been massive and we are learning more about the virus and handling it each day.

Aragog · 01/05/2020 08:39

There are lots of people,complaining, albeit not protests outside the home - mostly due to people sensibly social distancing.

Read Mumsnet for an hour. The place is full of complaints,about something to do with CV19. Other social media sites are similar.

On a personal level people are upset and even angry with the situation, especially when it comes to losing loved ones in these circumstances. Even if not Clovis related, deaths at this time is hard. During lockdown we have lost my fill and held his funeral - none of it,was easy. ,y nana is seriously ill in hospital right now and is unlikely to make it if I'm honest. It's rubbish that no one can visit and see her. We are desperately trying to have her be able to,return home so she can have family nearby, but it's so so,hard. And if she does go, it means yet another funeral with restricted people there and most of us unable to go.

But the reality is that there's no real point in complaining and getting angry. What will that solve? It'll just make that individual feel worse in the end and it won't change matters.

Most of us are sensible. We know the risks. We know why we are having to deal with this situation and we are just getting in with it in our own ways, albeit with a few whinges to our families.

Mittens030869 · 01/05/2020 09:29

@ArriettyJones

I know what you mean! My DH has asthma and he hasn't had a day of sick leave for at least 5 years! He's definitely not terminally ill. Hmm

oakleaffy · 01/05/2020 10:40

I heard on LBC radio last night that there were suggestions that the 50 and over population of UK -regardless of health status- may be ''held back'' for 'release' when lockdown ends...with proof of age needed!
It seems crazy!

Dozer · 01/05/2020 10:52

Not “crazy” given vulnerable, “shielded” and older people’s ongoing covid risks, no vaccine/limited effective treatments and the NHS situation. Big policy challenges for central government and employers.

LakieLady · 01/05/2020 11:47

As someone not born and raised in the UK, it surprises me everyday how much shit people here accept from their government

As someone who's lived here for all of their 64 years, it still amazes me!

LakieLady · 01/05/2020 12:02

Pandemics have happened throughout history, we are taught about them at school

I was too, but they seem to have omitted that bit from the syllabus at Eton. Wink I can remember being told that they seem to occur at approx 80 year intervals and that the next one could well arrive around the end of the century, and thinking "Shit, I'll probably still be alive then".

I'd describe my feelings as pissed off rather than angry. Pissed off at the failure to invest in the NHS, PPE, have a coherent plan, take decisive action at an early stage, implement quarantine for travellers arriving in the UK etc, etc. And very sad, for all those whose loss of life was preventable and those who loved them.

And I'm mildly annoyed that it's led to yet another delay in getting my very painful knee sorted out as the MRI that I've been waiting for since July has been postponed, but I suppose a few more months won't make much difference and it's so trivial that I feel quite ashamed to say it.

LakieLady · 01/05/2020 12:07

I hope people will write to their MPs

Already done so, twice. And I really think there should be a public inquiry, even if it's only into the deaths of health and care staff, and not the wider management of situation.

JediJim · 02/05/2020 22:01

What will happen to people who lose their jobs? What if they can’t find another one? Who will pay for their benefits ? Where will people live when they can’t pay their rent or mortgage? No one seems to be getting angry about families living in the gutter when they lose everything , when it wasn’t their fault? When will someone or something be held accountable?

Gobbolinocat · 02/05/2020 22:11

The only way to beat corona virus etc is to find them before they find us. So I hope teams go and find them.

This virus is hideous but my god imagine ebola!
This isn't a world wide wake up call before something even more devastating takes hold...

I'm only feel sorry for the people of China and feel anger towards a despotic un democracy regime... That I hope the world takes to task after.

brassbrass · 02/05/2020 22:13

jedi there's another thread running which is asking if people will be less tolerant of those who aren't prepared (read stockpiled) for the next time🙄

They're forgetting to factor in the impact to the economy and that there is a chance that they may be the very same unprepared people due to loss of income, change in circumstances, even possibly the death of the breadwinner. These threads are an awesome eye opener to the prevailing attitudes.

Bouledeneige · 02/05/2020 23:30

I think we need to keep an eye on the ideologies involved in this crisis. I think it illuminates the motivations of governments and the actions thy have taken. They may not just be about the short term closedowns they may also be about a long term view about how socieities recvoer and re-build after these crises. If we take a snapshot at this early stage we may not understand their long term goals.

Those that intervene later and least may have a view to a long term goal about herd immunity and reducing successive waves of the pandemic.

Others who go heavy at the first stage may have a different view about trying to kill later re-infection rates in future waves.

The Tories in the UK (I'm not one) are largely, under BJ, libertarians. So Boris' instincts were not to interfere in peoples lives, to let them go about their business. That means big business to small local cafes and family companies, from public sector employees to freelancers, to freedom of movement and famillies making their own choices about schooling and work. Conservative philosophy is to limit government interference in people's freedom to choose how they live their lives. I think that explains but does not excuse their delayed response.

The Conservatives care about the economy because they believe that a flourishing economy provides employment and enables people to provide for their famillies wellbeing as they wish. So its hugely significant that the government have now been pressed in this crisis to lockdown our individual freedom - so contrary to conservative ideology - and to spend huge amounts of public money to save businesses, self employees, employment, charities and welfare. Huge and entirely contrary in public spending and instinct for a Conservative government.

No one can yet know which government's response is right. But if we don't understand the ideological drivers we wont understand why governments responded differently. And many governments also understood the different cultures of their countries and how their societies behaved differently. Authoritarians regimes closed things down rapidly as did those who'd learnt from SARS. More isolationist and introverted societies like Sweden needed less rules to observe distancing. More social and less compliant nations, like Italy, Spain, France and the UK have suffered more. And the US that resents any interference in private lives by government (an extreme extension of this government's conservative instincts) resist any pro-social collective policies.

We cant evaluate the long term effectiveness of the choices government have made yet and we wont for a very long time. And it won't work if we don't apply the cultural differences of different societies too. We as UK citizens don't comply in the same way as other countries' citizens, we question rules applied and want to make choices for ourselves, we have a very active democracy where we enjoy questioning government policies, PR and media. We are always going to respond differently and more negatively than New Zealanders, Chinese, Swedes, Germans and Americans. This is who we are - unconvinced and cynical. Our political leaders know this.

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