To be ashamed to be British

[yesterdayschild]

Every day more and more British deaths. When compared to other countries some of them third world, we have an appalling death rate from Covid 19.
Why oh why did the government allow 3000 Spanish to enter just to watch a football match when Spain would not allow them to watch in their own country.
Why was the Stereophonics concert allowed when other countries had locked down.
Why are thousands of people still entering the U.K. with no checks.
Why are our NHS staff still begging for PPE

I am feeling very very low about all of this and wish I lived in some other country.

Oh here we go. @Justanotherlurker splattering random, would be impressive, yet nonsensical phrases around again.

@FabulouslyElegantTits, love your name, I have heard some say that a true evaluation of how the various countries have done will not be truly known until the pandemic has come to an end.

Yet she happily accepts the highest rate of DRDs in the whole of Europe even when the death rate continues to increase at an alarming rate annually.
@Lily193

Pretty sure that she doesn't 'happily' accept it, but unfortunately drug policy is a matter reserved to Westminster. Scottish MPs have lobbied for the policy to allow for more aggressive drug treatment but it doesn't suit the WM narrative to allow Scotland to improve.

You should have a look at the infant mortality rates between England and Scotland, then you'll see what happens when the Scottish Government has the opportunity to make the decisions.

This video is interesting. It seems that the Scottish figures are closer to Scandinavian levels, while England is more like a state in the US. I know which I prefer.

twitter.com/FreeThinker2030/status/1233033690487427073?s=20

Professor Allyson Pollock - consultant in public health medicine and was the Director of the Institute of Health and Society, Newcastle University.

What did I say about hindsight?

Allyson Pollock Retweeted

Prof. Peter Gotzsche - 9th March:

"Coronavirus: Are we the victims of mass panic? Case-fatality rate is similar to influenza but far fewer deaths so far, and it is mostly elderly with comorbidity that die, as for other virus infections."

FabulouslyElegantTits Erm not working that way in countries that had earlier cases and have gone in hard with lockdown. Once you are on top of it with testing, contact tracing and quarantine there is no reason why you cannot stay on top of it and can be more relaxed about the risk of transmission in the community. Hong Kong had its first cases in January but has never closed its businesses, just encouraged home working and closed schools, and has allowed people to meet in groups of less than 4. It has only had 4 deaths. When a second wave seemed likely as a result of people fleeing the scary mismanagement and complacency in western countries they introduced compulsory quarantine with wristbands for those returning, if anyone is seen out with a wristband they can rely on a hostile reception. 4 deaths in a population of 7.4 m and cases now back to negligible, manageable levels. New Zealand plan the same.

Posts like this make me ashamed to be grouped together with such people even if it is British.

Why be ashamed? this virus is unprecedented and all countries are learning how to cope with it. The issue has become more complicated due to the cuts that Cameron brought in years ago which has been continued to the current day .All local authorities are struggling to cope , there was no PPE stockpile despite the exercise some years ago which found we would be in a difficult situation if a pandemic began. politicians do not like being told what to do so ignored the warnings. politicians like to mislead and misdirect the country . I'm sure that is not just a British thing . What you need to be proud of is that we can still help each other , we have a health service where all can access it, and more importanlty we can all smile!

@Clavinova, it’s a fair point by you. I am surprised too that she tacitly endorsed Gotzsche’s comment by re tweeting as by that date I think v few believed the data coming out of China indicated a CFR equivalent to flu albeit only a range could be calculated without knowing how accurate China’s cases were on total number of cases.

I think it may not preclude her belief that the SAGE group should have had a wider range of expertise.

Countries that have locked down really quickly and harshly will be hit harder by the next 'wave'

Fabulouslyeleganttits, I seen some say in this field if the testing, tracing and isolating capacity is built large enough and well designed it might be enough to prevent a large rise in cases in the second wave, though think no guarantee.

People did not force ticket holders for stereophonics or Lewis Capaldi to attend

This is what I think about the idiots who were still going on holidays in March. Sometimes I find myself thinking that the government should have just abandoned some of the people that were "stranded" abroad instead of sending rescue flights if the people had actually chosen to go on holiday during this crisis.

Would English people please stop referring to your nationality as British!

Not all people living in the 3 countries on the island Great Britain think and vote the same way that you do, unfortunately by sheer might of numbers your votes affect those of us who wish to do things differently.

Don't lump us all together.

Ah, didn’t see before commenting that Emilyontmoor made the same point about test, trace and isolating, and better articulated and explained than me!

@chocolatedeficitdisorder, apologies, you are right.

Guylan
I think it may not preclude her belief that the SAGE group should have had a wider range of expertise.

Perhaps - I've only looked at the backgrounds of a few.

Let’s not forget George Osborne, Jeremy Hunt and Theresa May’s dismissal of a Magic Money Tree. We’ve taken years to get to this. Made me smile when Rishi Sunak said they’d be wiping the NHS debt. We all made a kind of “oooohh!” as if watching a firework display. Let’s not forget the millions we dished out to the banks. Could do with some of that, now.

Pretty sure that she doesn't 'happily' accept it, but unfortunately drug policy is a matter reserved to Westminster. Scottish MPs have lobbied for the policy to allow for more aggressive drug treatment but it doesn't suit the WM narrative to allow Scotland to improve.

Explain more aggressive drug treatment. My understanding is she has slashed 50 million from service provision so that hardly demonstrates any kind of commitment to reducing DRDs and in fact a willingness to allow rates continue to rise with blatant disregard for the wider impact on society. That's nothing to do with Westminster.

Let’s not forget George Osborne, Jeremy Hunt and Theresa May’s dismissal of a Magic Money Tree

You could if you was economically illiterate, however you may understand that because of the years of austerity we now have been able to throw money at a crisis because we had previously got our deficit down to an acceptable level. (Hint look at the eu if you think it was purely ideological and see Italy and Spain being given a 'loan' to help with covid issues)

This is the Kensyian economics that was favoured by the left, it is being in a position to be able to throw money at the economy when the shit hits the fan, in 2008 we couldn't do that.

The lack of nuance and just parroting of twitter comments on MN is becoming a joke, this place used to have some semblance of balance and intellect.

I’m British, and very proud to be so. Our Government has done more to help the employed and self employed financially than most other countries. And I’m probably in the minority, but would have preferred us to go down the same route as Sweden with herd immunity, because I think the economy in the UK after this is going to take years to recover if lockdown goes on too much longer.

@Alsohuman

Intelligent come back, thanks for your contribution in not even trying to address my post.

This isn't twitter you don't get likes for your posts, with such little input why even bother..

If you are struggling to attack my argument maybe not try an
ad hominem, feel free when you offer some kind of intelligent response though but i guess your waiting for the latest guardian article to quote as usual.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing - from an article 29th Jan - "To put the cases and deaths so far into perspective, remember that seasonal flu kills between 250,000 and 650,000 people each year." “Right now, you’re probably more likely to be catching flu than you are to be getting coronavirus,” said Devi Sridhar, chair in global public health at the University of Edinburgh.

@Clavinova, I am surprised by Allyson P retweet but to be fair to Devi S what she said in the quote above to the journalist at the end of January was true. At that time people were more likely to die of flu. There was no quote from her saying she didn’t expect this outbreak to not spread so we don’t know what she thought on that.

I should go back to her twitter feed to verify - but as I am getting tired forgive me for not doing so - but I am reasonably confident there is a tweet from her at the end of January saying testing, contract testing and quarantining was vital once a outbreak had reached a country.

we don't even know how many are covid related for sure... in 2018 541,589 have died in england and wales, did u know that? probably not cuz you weren't googling the death rates then !!

@Hannah021, ONS data show the level of excess deaths registered in England & Wales by April 13th since the coronavirus outbreak started at the end of December is 27,015. I think the significant jump in registered deaths is a strong indicator they are coronavirus related and not just a random surge.

This is the left at it's worst.

It's ok, my hard hat is on. Firmly 😂😂

Explain more aggressive drug treatment. My understanding is she has slashed 50 million from service provision so that hardly demonstrates any kind of commitment to reducing DRDs and in fact a willingness to allow rates continue to rise with blatant disregard for the wider impact on society. That's nothing to do with Westminster.

Try this...
news.stv.tv/politics/snp-mp-calls-for-roll-out-of-safe-consumption-rooms?top

As for cuts, it's not just a Scottish issue...maybe it's more to do with the tories reducing public spending

inews.co.uk/news/health/drug-services-cuts-england-rising-deaths-498449

The Scottish Government has chosen to increase spending to cut infant mortality and that's working well so far. I have 2 kids in universities up here who will have not tuition fee loans. Nurses in Scotland still get a bursary and qualify with no debt. It's safer and easier to be a parent up here as our government invests in their future.

Can you say the same for yours?

Can someone spell the word marvellous?

I'm not ashamed to be British. I didn't vote for the current shower of shite leading us though.

This ^.

Actually I don't think I've been "proud to be British" since I was a kid, but I'm not jingoistic.

Crying at the human Cheeto comment. You are not being unreasonable OP. The government are an absolute joke.