To ask whether you would support a further lockdown?

[lola777]

Posting here simply as I don't know if voting can be enabled outside AIBU.

Vote yes- You would support further lockdown of this extent
Vote no- You would not support a lockdown of this extent after the current lockdown period

Personally, I would be happy for restrictions to slowly be lifted after this. Amongst my friends, I feel I am in the majority.

Smile Imma confiscate your Marks and Spencer crisps!

No because If it goes on much longer I won't have a job to go back to.

Personally I want to be able to work so I can feed my children and keep a roof over our heads. But yeah, no biggie

No-one wants to see children going hungry or people being homeless. But unfortunately too many of them voted for governments that were in favour of cutting benefit rates and not building social housing.

They voted away the safety net that would have prevented that.

We can't lift lockdown until we are well into a significant decline in cases.

Otherwise the entire enterprise will have been pointless, we will have just put off covid-19 til later, not actively done anything about it.

We are only JUST seeing a drop, and we have seen bigger drops before and it peaked again, it is not sigificant enough to end lockdown.

We DO need to readjust how lockdown works in some cases, for example whilst dentistry is obviously high risk, we need to sort something out there as the current system is leaving people with abcesses and extreme pain pretty much untreated beyond antibiotics (and we have never had effective pain treatment for serious dental pain anyway).

But the basic principle of not going out unless its vital needs to continue.

Widdlin "Otherwise the entire enterprise will have been pointless, we will have just put off covid-19 til later, not actively done anything about it."

that's what this has been about all along.

@ChaBishkoot UK doesn't have 41% of European deaths there have been over 100,00 deaths in Europe and 20K in UK that is just under 20% and much less than 10% of world wide figure
france spain and Italy all have more deaths and more deaths per million of population
false statistics spreading fake information is really bad

there are inevitable spikes in death rates on tuesdays after the lag over weekend what is important is the 7 day rolling death rate which is coming down,
obviously as you ramp up testing from 10,000 to 40,000 tests a day you will statisitcally see more positive cases but more of them will be mild cases the rate of positive tests on those in hospital is falling

there are plenty of countries with less severe lockdown with lower death rates the severity of lockdown doesn't seem to alter trachetory of disease much France Spain Italy and UK all based 20K deaths on approx day 40 with a very similar curve, the Uk curve is about same as Italy and just under France and Spain, France has roughly same criteria for testing as Uk, there is a shortage of PPE all over Europe the UK is not unique or worse ( apart from Germany)

Erm yes widdlin that's the reality of this lockdown

It's bought us time to build/free up beds. I thought that was the point. It was to slow the spread, not stop it. We can't stop it!

No I will not support an extended lockdown. Social distancing and other preventative measures, YES but life has to go on in some form.

The whole point has been to flatten the curve so that the NHS can cope and not complete stop transmission. The NHS is doing OK, we haven't run out of ICU beds as feared. The lockdown has done it's job but time to start easing it while keeping a close eye on infection rates.

They voted away the safety net that would have prevented that.

I’ve never voted for the tories, to be clear.

But I’d love to know what safety net labour would have provided that would have enabled people to survive months of virtually no economic activity.

Many of the people now struggling to meet basic bills would not have been candidates for social housing. They’ll be home owners who just don’t have months and years of savings to see them through.

How much social housing would we have needed to minimise the impact of months of lockdown? The mind boggles.

We’ve didn’t run out of ICU beds because all non essentials treatment etc was cancelled, wards were closed and staff redeployed. Some of those ICU beds were staffed by non icu trained nurses who felt very much out of their comfort zones. Wasn’t all hunky dory and it’s something most icu staff don’t want to have to go through again if you don’t mind

But I’d love to know what safety net labour would have provided that would have enabled people to survive months of virtually no economic activity

Up until 2018, means-tested benefits included an amount that covered the interest on claimants' mortgages. This was abolished and replaced with a loan scheme. It could be paid directly to the mortgage company and meant that arrears didn't increase, although the outstanding capital remained the same. In those circumstances, courts were most reluctant to grant possession orders.

And I'm sure as eggs are eggs that Labour wouldn't have frozen benefits for years, as the Tories did from 2015, or introduced the benefit cap and 2-child rule, both of which have caused immeasurable hardship.

If nothing else, I hope that this bloody awful business makes people realise that almost no-one is immune from events that can devastate their finances.

In some ways, it almost makes PPI seem like a good idea!

Oh, and it was the Tories that reduced local housing allowances to the 30th centile of average rents, and then froze them for several years, meaning that most claimants have to top up the money awarded for housing costs from that meant for them to feed themselves and their families from.

@herman

Exactly. AND because they're leaving people suffering at home.

Personally no, the science doesn't actually support the lockdown, we need to support those with medical conditions to isolate and provide proper ppe, 94% of those who died had underlying health conditions, done of the rest were medical professionals. I understand risk, I'm willing to take it

I would if the evidence shows that not being in lockdown could lead to more lives being lost. As obviously would rather both my own family and other peoples are safe before we come out of lockdown however long that may be.

I would support it until after the bank holiday at the end of May but then I think it will need to start being lifted. Hopefully by this time we should be seeing a good drop in numbers and can perhaps pick up with contact tracing/testing/quarantine

My thing is that if the risk were restricted to yourself, and yourself only, then yes, if you're prepared to take it, fair enough.

If the risk is also incurred by other people as a result of your personal assessment and assumption of the risk, then that choice is not solely yours to make.

And I think there's far too many people think that their preference not to have to educate and mind their children at home (preference, not need), not to have to clean their own house or do their own garden, to have a haircut, get their mannies and peddies, fully justifies the people that provide those services having to assume what is still a very high risk to some on their behalf.

I'm getting a bit pissed off, as someone feeling like I'm at serious risk of slipping into a late form of PND without my usual support network, at being lumped in with these (fictional?) people who are just desperate for a pedicure.

Thanks to the poster who suggested a socially distanced walk - it's just made more complicated by us both having 18 month old toddlers who may or may not want to stay in pushchairs!

I think the pedicure people are probably well off enough to be enjoying this tbh.

There was absolutely nothing in that post that was directed in any way, shape or form, by you hammeringinmyhead, and I'm sorry if you took it that way.

It's a terrible thing for many people, this lockdown, and the suffering is very real, for far too many.

I feel for you feeling at risk of slipping into PND without your support network, I had it quite badly with both my girls. It's horrible. I hope the socially distanced walk can be logistically achieved and that it helps.

at you.

Dumbarse mbosnz. . .

If the risk is also incurred by other people as a result of your personal assessment and assumption of the risk, then that choice is not solely yours to make.

Surely this works both ways. Those calling for a longer lock down aren't making the decision which solely affects themselves. By wanting further weeks, months and in some cases years of lock down, they are also putting others at risk.