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To ask whether you would support a further lockdown?

999 replies

lola777 · 25/04/2020 17:40

Posting here simply as I don't know if voting can be enabled outside AIBU.

Vote yes- You would support further lockdown of this extent
Vote no- You would not support a lockdown of this extent after the current lockdown period

Personally, I would be happy for restrictions to slowly be lifted after this. Amongst my friends, I feel I am in the majority.

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Molliemoo10 · 26/04/2020 10:04

The posters saying how they won't take another lockdown and will visit their family regardless, how will you feel it you carry the virus to them and kill them? What kind of guilt will you have to live with? People don't seem to register that carrying the virus to others is one of the main problems.

GrimmsFairytales · 26/04/2020 10:05

You are quite willing to sacrifice me and others like me then?
I'd like you to be brave enough to admit you don't care if I die. To you the economy is more important than my life, because that might be true but I'm not selfless enough to willingly give up.

You haven't answered my question, how do you suggest we support people financially to lock down long term?

A long term lock down for everyone will also lead to lives being lost, so I could ask you if you're willing to sacrifice others by insisting on it.

LilacTree1 · 26/04/2020 10:05

What Smile said.

Molliemoo10 · 26/04/2020 10:05

*I and my actions am not responsible for your death"

Yes you are if you pass the virus to me or other vulnerable people.

Smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 26/04/2020 10:06

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LakieLady · 26/04/2020 10:06

we need to try and regain some sort of normality and continue on with life

Ffs, anyone would think this was like the Wuhan lockdown where people were actually locked into their homes and had government food parcels delivered.

We can go out and about. We can chat to our neighbours, as long as we stay 2m apart, we can get our own shopping and choose what we eat, many of us can still work, although we may have to do it from our own homes. We have the benefit of technology that enables us to see and speak to friends and family, the only thing we can't do is share physical space with them.

I realise it's tough for people who have children that are bored, who have no outside space and are hard up financially. I'd have no problem if the were permitted a more relaxed lockdown regime than those of us who live in houses with gardens, although the practicalities of that would be ... challenging.

But the people who vow to ignore lockdown if it goes on beyond the next review and don't care if they get Covid-19 and die are just selfish.

And you know what? I don't care if you die, either,. But I care very much if, because of your selfishness, you infect someone I love while they're getting their shopping or having some exercise and they die.

And for what? A haircut or a RL chat with your mates? Get some perspective, please.

Smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 26/04/2020 10:07

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Molliemoo10 · 26/04/2020 10:09

You haven't answered my question, how do you suggest we support people financially to lock down long term?

I've already said that I don't have the answers, but neither does anyone else.
I don't know what is best but I do know that if you are faced with the very real possibility of dying then you cling to what is more likely to keep you alive, I don't think that is difficult to understand and I'm not answering people piling on me for that.

LilacTree1 · 26/04/2020 10:10

Mollie also are you taking responsibility for elderly being locked away, unable to see loved ones, in what might be the last few months of their life?

LaurieMarlow · 26/04/2020 10:10

And for what? A haircut or a RL chat with your mates?

Personally I want to be able to work so I can feed my children and keep a roof over our heads. But yeah, no biggie.

LilacTree1 · 26/04/2020 10:11

Mollie “ I don't know what is best but I do know that if you are faced with the very real possibility of dying then you cling to what is more likely to keep you alive”

Yes, mum and her heart condition cling to being able to hug her children. What reason does she have for bothering to be alive now, soon after widowhood?

Stellamboscha · 26/04/2020 10:13

No-definitely not. Sweden had managed without -so could we. The NHS needs dramatic overhauling -the bureaucracy and red tape that prevented procurement of equipment is scandalous. Kick it into shape like Germany's. It is not lack of 'funding' it is antiquated practices -'letters' 'appointments to get results'

Molliemoo10 · 26/04/2020 10:14

Don't let me in then Mollie I'm hardly going to break into peoples houses and cough on them

You're missing the bigger picture and I'm not sure if it's deliberate or not?
It's not just allowing visitors in, take the plumber example. If someone self isolating nerds an emergency plumber, now that plumber is not on lockdown anymore so he has visited other homes that morning and although healthy himself is carrying the virus on his hair, clothes, skin, etc. He has now passed the virus onto that vulnerable person.

Mikki2019 · 26/04/2020 10:14

That’s the thing - people’s mental health is suffering . It’s very different being lockdowned with a family and partner , I’m a single parent so have no other adult with me, am away from my partner and all my usual support network of friends and family . It’s not a case of ‘just’ missing your partner , as some posters have said

LaurieMarlow · 26/04/2020 10:14

I've already said that I don't have the answers, but neither does anyone else.

You can’t just not engage with that though, while simultaneously calling everyone else selfish and heartless.

What happens when revenue receipts drop so low that we have to make significant cuts to NHS funding? Which at the rate things are going, won’t be too far away.

LilacTree1 · 26/04/2020 10:17

Mollie, your plumber example is ridiculous. Either the plumber is allowed to work or they’re not.

If your plumber lives with a nurse, what are you going to to?

LilacTree1 · 26/04/2020 10:18

The lack of thinking is just extraordinary.

LaurieMarlow · 26/04/2020 10:19

The lack of thinking is just extraordinary.

I know!!!

hammeringinmyhead · 26/04/2020 10:21

I don't really understand the plumber example either. If you need one then it's usually because you have escape of water or blocked drains/toilet. You can't safely or healthily ignore these things for weeks.

LilacTree1 · 26/04/2020 10:23

I'd gently suggest some posters calm down a bit but I can't help feeling that public transport will be less grim if this lot panic sufficiently to stay home.

LakieLady · 26/04/2020 10:23

I would support it and I think it will be extended for a further three weeks. The review date is just before May Bank Holiday and there is no way they'll relax it then

I've been thinking the same.

If they maintain current rules for a further 3 weeks at the next reviewn, the following 3-weekly review will be on the next bank holiday, so 2 bank holidays would come under the current rules (the BH that is normally on the first Monday in May is actually on the following Friday this year, for the 75th anniversary of VE day, so the 2 BHs are closer together than usual).

They could then start relaxing them a bit for the summer, see what happens and either revert or continue easing the restrictions according to the effects.

I also think that we may have to have restrictions tightened again in the winter months. A lot of academics seem to think that the virus is likely to be more virulent then, when there's less daylight, flu is more prevalent, and people spend more time indoors together.

LakieLady · 26/04/2020 10:26

Lots of people are very sure of their ideas (although why they think they know better than the gov I don't really know)

Could it be because the govt have made a right Horlicks of things so far, perhaps?

Cantata · 26/04/2020 10:28

@Mrsfs

any friends of mine who flout the rules and try to visit us and put our lives at risk, will no longer be my friends as I would think they were selfish and irresponsible

Any friends of mine know me well enough to understand why I am not willing to stick to "the rules" any longer, regardless of their own willingness (or not) to stick to them. If they didn't know me well enough to understand this, they would not be my friends.

Real-life friends do know one another well enough to understand one another's motivations. Moreover, RL people know that no situation is ever cut and dried.

Smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 26/04/2020 10:30

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tinytemper66 · 26/04/2020 10:33

I can see staggered days for our secondary pupils and small classes happening with perhaps GCSE classes in. I can work with that myself. However we may not have the staff to facilitate even this. We are a small school and staff so we need a lot of our staff in just to function usually without getting supplies in.
Maybe in June after half term. These are things we are discussing ourselves and have no weight behind it, just what staff would be comfortable with.
If it is September or later then it is what it is.

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