Some people enjoy patronising and depressing others

[Esprohuy]

Clearly everyone is having a different experience of the current situation. It seems to me from the posts here and elsewhere that MN is full of people searching for threads from people either asking genuinely when others think the restrictions may be reduced, or people expressing mental or emotional.distress due to being locked away, sometimes alone. The pattern is the OP posts, there are a couple of sympathetic/in the case of lockdown speculation dovish opinions then the Depressor swoops, usually with a formulation along the lines of:
If you think these restrictions will be lifted anytime soon you are a naïve fool. Christmas will be cancelled and things will never fully return to normal

In the threads expressing mental distress their standard formulation is a variety of:
FFS pull yourselves together. It's been (insert number) weeks, how the F do you think people coped in the war the. All you are being asked to do is stay in and watch Netflix

There seems to be a remarkably large number of people among this cohort who claim grandparental involvement in WW1/2 and have a partner/sibling serving as a front line NHS worker. These depressors seem to scour MN looking to pounce on people expressing povs like the above.

Did she have 'The Voice' @GoldenOmber? Every time my Mum talked about death or illness her voice changed to a very low, serious tone. My Uncle is the same but it looks as though it might have skipped a generation as DH says I don't have 'The Voice'!

Yes!! The Voice! Kind of low and hushed but a bit stage-whispery, as appropriate for conveying Doom.

@GoldenOmber, yes about the vaccines! As soon as I read on the BBC News website that vaccine progress looked hopeful, I came straight to MN to see when the naysayers would explode onto the scene with their buckets of cold water.

Have you seen Mumsnet Madness on Twitter? They pick up the dementoring on there as well, some of it is very funny

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That's the one @GoldenOmber! I don't know if it's something that'll come to me but I'm 45 now so I think it might be too late.

Woman in charge of Oxford vaccine trials says she things 80% chance it will be ready pretty soon. they have already started trials on humans...looks very promising

You know why don't you. It could mean the end of the lockdown.

@Esprohuy

The way the MN site is set up where people tend to post questions looking for reassurance actually creates the perfect feeding environment for

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Exactly completely agree

I will never understand why if someone is worried enough to post for reassurance, why someone would want to add to that persons distress

If they've nothing helpful to add then scroll by!

Omg I know what you mean OP ive seen countless threads on here or fb "what about lockdown do people not understand? Then rant " Its horrible nasty people just curtain twitching having a go at someone for going out for a walk. Some people are just plain nasty. Like someone said here they are miserable and just loving that other people should be miserable too.

Oh, thank you ESPROHUY for this thread.
This is the sort of clear thinking, critically analytical, sardonically funny thread that I have missed these last few years.

I am sighing happily at the thought that there is a tiny corner of MN where my people are.

That's kind of you Newandimproved. Yes it seems that people have found in this thread a lifeboat of sanity in a storm of Dementorism. I think in general that I'll be calling things out more IRL now instead of letting them get to me. Some really really good quality and insightful postings.

It can feel like replies get a bit lost at times. Maybe with the new icon it would be easier. People notice them

@GoldenOmber my nan and her friends loved a good funeral. It brought them so much joy relating the eulogy afterwards and planning their outfits.

Think it must have been a thing for a few in that generation

Used to begin conversations with "You know Margaret, she used to live across the road from your old piano teacher? Well. Bowel cancer.

My nan was exactly the same! Used to scan the obituaries every day in case she missed anyone's death. I always used to find it morbid, she'd be in her element now if she was still here.

My grandmother was exactly the same, right down to The Voice. She’d go the funeral of people she’d barely thought of or spoken to for years, then come back and describe it as “a lovely do”, usually with a little plastic bag full of assorted buffet items she’d smuggled out in her handbag brought home for her tea. When she died we threw away a whole drawer full of collected funeral orders of service.

You know why don't you. It could mean the end of the lockdown

The worst possible outcome for dementors. They’ll have to watch people starting to actually enjoy themselves again, and they won’t be able to tell them to STAY THE FUCK AT HOME.
A story of real life dementor-dom... yesterday was my best friends birthday. She’s a child protection social worker and having a pretty awful time of it at the moment (schools closed equals some horrific child abuse cases). Throughout the day I and a couple of other friends dropped off cake/balloons/presents etc (on foot, as part of our daily exercise). None of us turned up at the same time, all remained at the gate of her house while she was at the front door (a good 10m away), I tied a banner to her gate.
She had a visit from the police last night as someone reported her for having a party! What sort of party involves one guest arriving at a time, standing at the gate 10 meters away from the house and the birthday girl, chatting for 5 mins while she opens her presents then leaving I don’t know!
Luckily the policeman also thought it was ridiculous and said they’d had some completely bizarre reports. A shame really as it stops them actually policing!

Think our curtain twitcher down the road is really pissed off and disappointed. Friend popped by the other day as I had found an old laptop for their kid to do their online schoolwork on... friend's just finished a shift and is still in his Army uniform and I'm sure curtain twitcher was quivering in anticipation that we were going to be taken away by the military for crimes against clapping or something!

I’ve noticed a rise in vaccine-related dementoring recently.

It’s been around a few weeks. The Times first reported the Oxford stuff a while ago - I told DH and his first reaction was ‘says hoo’ I replied ‘professor in Vaccines at Oxford university’ ah right ok he would know. I quickly corrected to she. The comments were just people saying they wouldn’t risk having a vaccine that hadn’t been tested for five years

There’s a right load of old shit about vaccine development being spouted I think if you stop to think for 2 minutes. The main points being we’ve never developed a vaccine for the common cold - well that’s because it would have to have zero risk or side effect for anyone to agree to take it. That is never the case for any vaccine. HIV is the other one - this one would surely have to be 100% reliable or if people believed they were safe from HIV it could actually make the infection rate worse not better. No vaccines are this reliable as far as I’m aware.

Covid-19 it would be acceptable for a vaccine to carry low risk as all do and to not give 100% protection as this wouldn’t be needed for herd immunity.

I’m praying that we are on the right side of the expert’s 80% probability personally

Also one with a grandmother with a keen interest in death and funerals. However, there's no Voice here, she may as well be asking you for a cup of tea when she tells you about her cousin Anne and her lung cancer.
She used to be a nurse (GM not Anne) and what she loves even more are those who are seriously ill but still hanging in there so she can talk about the final details of their ailments. My grandpa was ill for quite a long time before he died and whenever my dad called them to talk, he'd get a lot of very personal information about toileting habits, catheters etc whether he wanted it or not but just went along with it. I remember thinking that I never wanted to get so old that people could have 20 min conversations about my urethra.

These people must be a barrel of laughs in real life. I have been reading DH some of the comments on other threads and we have been howling. What gets me is all the posters who post everything as ‘FACT’, it’s actually anecdotal comments heard from FB, there are an awful lots of people who have ‘loads’ of friends who are on the front line (all of whom are TERRIFIED obviously), they don’t give a shit how it makes vulnerable people on these threads feel, that’s really TERRIFYING!

Yes... ‘lockdown will be for at least another year’ presented as absolute fact. If you challenge them they say something like ‘do you think you’re going to a pub any time soon? Do you?’

......my friend Brian was an epidemiologist in the 1970’s so it’s FACT

There's now a thread calling for Chinese style forced quarantining.

What I find TERRIFYING (capital letters in case you're not taking this seriously enough) is the amount of people willing to sacrifice their rights and blindly go down the Chinese/North Korean route.

The ones that really annoy me are the 'oh we've never had a real lockdown in the UK at all, it's always been so lax, after all we even let children out!' ones. It's so minimising of what it's been like for most people - maybe your life hasn't changed at all (which I can't help but feel is quite sad) but it clearly, evidently isn't true that 'we haven't had a lockdown at all'. And all the people salivating for a 'harder' lockdown and citing Spain, where until recently dogs had a right to exercise but children didn't

There's now a thread calling for Chinese style forced quarantining

That thread is fcking terrifying. So many people advocating for people to be removed from their homes by the police or military to be quarantined together. Now China, a country with an appalling human rights history is now being held up as a beacon of sensibility and moral superiority 😲

And all the people salivating for a 'harder' lockdown and citing Spain, where until recently dogs had a right to exercise but children didn't

The Spanish example is shocking. Ironically the same MNetters are always going on about how wonderfully child friendly a society it is.

Thankfully the harder lockdown will not happen now.