to be irrationally annoyed with the furloughed?

[awaywiththecircus]

I know I am but I'm jealous that they have all day to lie in the sun, home educate their dc, bake, sew, watch TV whilst I'm busier than ever trying to do it all whilst working from home.
I heard on the radio it's going to cost £50 billion over 3 months and I feel annoyed that the economy is totally f**d because we're paying everyone's salaries, and they're at home doing nothing.
I also know none of this is anyone's fault and IABU.

that if my company makes redundancies those who are on furlough will be the first to go

As explained by many posters in this thread already, that simply isn't true.

All of my furloughed staff will be keeping their jobs. Any redundancies will be amongst the people currently working.

YABU, you know you and if you didn't know why before you posted you do now.

I don't begrudge going to work every day as I need the routine. I would hate to be sitting around all day and the weekend exists for lying around and teaching kids to bake.

The issue is your attitude to your work rather than what everyone else is doing, clearly you need a new job.

As explained by many posters in this thread already, that simply isn't true.

It may not be true for your company. It probably is true in the main.

i would say ynbu i wish to god theyd close us down work in a supermarket and i long to be at home for a few weeks with my three year old :( instead im working double the hours i usually do the customers are mostly nice but 10 percent are absolutely relentless but again its nobody's fault not there fault the government shut them down :/

It may not be true for your company. It probably is true in the main.

Well there are other posters who have said the same as me and tried to explain that there are legal matrices that have to be applied when redundancies are made. The criteria you apply for this are totally different from the criteria you apply when deciding who to furlough.

If people choose not to accept this then they are in denial. I have tried to help by explaining in some detail but at this point I am out.

@Rebelwithallthecause why do you think that?

That's not true for my company and not true for several others I know that have been furloughed. I'm not sure why people keep spouting it. The whole point of furlough is to protect the jobs we will need once social distancing is over - not delay redundancies.

Maybe it's makes non furloughed people feel better.

@Rebelwithallthecause see the post below mine if you need more info!

The criteria you apply for this are totally different from the criteria you apply when deciding who to furlough.

Is there strict criteria for applying curfew though?

There was a post upthread (perhaps yours?) that suggested their furlough decisions were based on practicalities (like working parents for example). That certainly hasn’t been applied across the board.

I can see many companies making furlough decisions in line with whatever redundancy criteria they have to apply.

I have no skin the game btw. I’m in Ireland - different system.

Furlough not curfew!

I have been furloughed (leisure). I’m genuinely worried that if this pandemic goes on for too long I’ll be made redundant.

YABU

A Universal Basic Income at this time would avoid people feeling aggrieved with the 80% furlough system for employees. If the furloughed, the self-employed and the unemployed all got a UBI, it would solve a lot of problems at this time of crisis.

It would enable the employees who are furloughed to work from home if possible or get other key worker paid employment on top of the UBI. It would allow the self-employed to do whatever work they could from home without being so stressed about money. It would allow the people without recourse to public funds the ability to sustain themselves and not risk their lives in work, which puts them in danger. It would avoid the huge bureacracy of companies and individuals applying for support with huge administration requirements.

Everyone's labour would be valued equally and key workers would get the extra UBI on top of their salaries for the sacrifice of being on the frontline. Of course some help with a suspension of housing costs such as mortgage and rent holidays may be needed as well.

There is a group of MPs who are currently trying to get a form of UBI debated in parliament. UBI could really change society, or at least help people to feel less aggrieved.

Again, like I said before, my DH would love a furlough, safe in the knowledge that his industry will very much survive 'all this'. 80% of his income, coupled with my £30k, as a coalface HCP (yep, will all 'the kit' as seen on TV ) would be bloody brilliant.

Those who believe everyone is hating this have, maybe, a narrower set of social interactions to draw upon.

There will be an awful lot of people who will very much 'survive' this. They will largely be middle class. And they will support the political party who many of you who are now utterly desperate voted for in December.

Look and Learn.

YABU and not just because it's a pretty superficial and selfish attitude.

I'm not furloughed but I recognise that without this intervention a lot more people would do and ultimately we would all be a lot worse off.

It is a false dichotomy to choose between the economy and a high death toll. The latter will tank the economy far worse than anything else, quite apart from the human misery it will cause.

YABU

I'm able to work from home. No loss of pay. And I feel very privileged to be in that position.

I can't imagine having to stay a home, trying to help children do their homework and trying to fill the day - especially when every day feels the same.

That's the problem isn't it... People tend to think the grass is greener on the other side.

callmeBadJanet "OP, never ask a question unless you already know the answer. You've been schooled"

Please, please, never use that hideous, ugly, American term, 'You've been schooled' . You, and we, are not on some stupid Fox chat show. Give that a permanent rest. It's doesn't play well in the UK.

As for the 'nobody is 'having fun'/'loving this'- it appears quite a few are!

I would love a furlough, given that my job is Covid facing; and yes, 80% of my DH's wages would see us quite comfortable.

I am not goading. I am stating facts.

Some have no huge bills, no mortgage, for example.

Not everyone is HE.

And so on.

It is perfectly reasonable for the OP to have a degree of envy for certain furloughed people- whose jobs are more or less guaranteed, after 'all this'; who can survive comfortably on 80% of their previous salary.

YANBU. I’m on full pay and doing fuck all and feeling pretty bad about it quite honestly.
I used to work in a supermarket and frankly with the carnage before lockdown and the rules after they have had to work harder than anyone. I think all supermarket staff should get a percentage of the massively increased profits of whichever chain they work for.
My dH is freelance. Has had two good years previously and currently doing the garden happy as Larry on his 80% for doing nothing ( and not having to stress about “the next job”)

Please, please, never use that hideous, ugly, American term, 'You've been schooled' . You, and we, are not on some stupid Fox chat show. Give that a permanent rest. It's doesn't play well in the UK.

Oh good Lord would you calm down.

There are plenty of Americans on here. People can use whatever language they chose. You’re not a mod,.

YABU to be annoyed at furloughed workers.

It wouldn't be unreasonable to be annoyed that taxpayers money is being used to pay the furlough wages for companies registered in off shore tax havens and haven't been paying the full amount of tax and the likes of Branson expect taxpayer help every 5 seconds whilst being unwilling to put his own money where his mouth is like many small business owners have to.

Honestly, I don't think any company should be able to hold jobs like a gun to the head of a government having done all they can to avoid paying the correct taxes.

YANBU I’m also quite jealous of the furloughed. I’d love to apply for a temporary hobby job and use the opportunity to try something different like delivery driver or fruit picker or Samaritan call handler etc

Do the surgeons and Doctors resent you for staying safely at home? No.
Its not all about you, it's for the greater good.

Tbh I think its potentially crap either way. Db is wfh ft with 2 children, one still quite tiny and no support at all. He's asked to be furloughed, in normal times with school and grandparents and supermarket deliveries he copes, but suddenly having to do everything must be very difficult for lots of single parents. Equally lots of people who are furloughed will be climbing the walls, sudden loss of purpose, social contact and job insecurity is a lot to take on.

I think we all need to try to be kind.

mussymummy how would it be easier for you if you had to juggle homeschooling and doing your childcare around working?

Money worries are clearly a massive problem, but assuming people who wish they were furloughed don't have children makes no sense - homeschooling is much easier if you actually have time to do it! Complaining about having to do your own childcare on furlough is really self involved - people who are still working also have to homeschool and do childcare, the children don't magically become self sufficient because their parents are not furloughed! People who are complaining of being bored sound about 7 and don't know they're born!

I'm furloughed and I am having a lovely lock down. 😁 OP, I completely understand any resentment😁

I have surprised myself. I am normally quite anxious. Lack confidence and am not that keen on my client facing job. But I have been able to switch off from the worries. And I am getting some jobs done indoors. 👍

However..... Had this all come about when my ex was still here. Or my children were small or my mortgage was bigger then it would be a different story. My circumstances right now are sooo much less stressful than the last 10 years have been.

The downside is that I am losing track of time. I have no idea what the date is, let alone the day. I am though very grateful for our work WhatsApp group. Some of my colleagues are really struggling and we have, mostly, built greater bonds and friendships over the past weeks. We've lost a colleague to the virus. Nothing is really going to be the same again. 😕

I'll face the real world again when I have to.

Yes your being really unreasonable I'm furloughed 50% of the team off 50% stayed I'm not enjoying myself at all , I miss work and feel completely isolated, it's really crap & hard hopefully I'll have a job to go back to but who knows, oh and I've lost 20% of my income,winner!!!