to be irrationally annoyed with the furloughed?

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I know I am but I'm jealous that they have all day to lie in the sun, home educate their dc, bake, sew, watch TV whilst I'm busier than ever trying to do it all whilst working from home.
I heard on the radio it's going to cost £50 billion over 3 months and I feel annoyed that the economy is totally f**d because we're paying everyone's salaries, and they're at home doing nothing.
I also know none of this is anyone's fault and IABU.

Completely out of order and very small minded. No body is having fun. Its stress stress stress waiting to see if we have jobs to go back to, looking after kids, and trying to get to the supermarket without catching the bloody thing

Two key worker household + young DC
I’m sure everyone at our work would fucking love to be furloughed rather than risking health of themselves and loved ones
Get a grip OP

I'm furloughed. YABU.

It's soul destroying - I feel like I'm at the door of my company about to be pushed out - and completely unwanted when my colleagues are working for 20% more pay. I just want to work. I want my job back.

Yes, it's easier from a homeschooling point of view, and easier for my husband to wfh - but that's it. I'd much rather be in work.

This situation is hard for everyone. I don't think it's helpful to say it's easier for one group or another. Providing we're alive and out of hospital we're lucky.

I can understand where you are coming from Op. I would love to be furloughed. We are moving house to a different area and will have a smaller mortgage. When we move I will be giving up my job to focus my children (2 and 4 years). In fact we should have already moved but lock down has put a halt to that. While we have our current mortgage I can’t afford to give up my job. I am stuck trying to work from home with a 2 and a 4 year old which is very stressful. While I would much prefer to have moved and given up my job, being furloughed for me would be the second best thing.

BUT not everyone is in the same situation. Some people simply can’t afford to live off 80% of their income. Others are under extreme stress as they are at risk of loosing their job. My friend who lives by herself and has been furloughed is now even more isolated as it means she is no longer having work communication. She is just stuck in her flat. She is also finding it a huge kick in the teeth as she feels the people she works for just don’t understand what she does and how helpful she could be to her colleagues who are key workers. It is SO dangerous to make sweeping judgements about other people’s situations.

OP, never ask a question unless you already know the answer. You've been schooled

I would rather be at work!!
Am worried that my job won't survive the oncoming recession...
I have no flour or yeast to bake

I can understand of course, think I would feel the same if the shoe was on the other foot. But furlough isn’t all it sounds, I’m bored stiff. No baking or sun bathing happening here. I’m not sleeping in the night because of money anxieties So I’m napping all day and so the cycle goes on. I’ve never not worked before and this is only the end of week 1. Wish I could WFH or get a second job but my contract won’t let me.

I would love nothing more than to be working and know my job is safe. Instead I can't sleep worrying about how we can keep a roof over our heads if I am made redundant, which is the first thing your mind runs to. I would work for free if I could to know I'll still have a job at the end of this. Yes I am being paid but once you take into account the cap I am being paid 50 per cent of my salary and bills still have to be paid. My full time job at the moment is looking after an 18 month old and looking at four walls. This is not a holiday. Let's swap and see if you feel the same? The grass is not always greener op.

I don't think you are being unreasonable. Its only natural to resent some people being paid 80% for doing nothing - specially when we see their pictures on social media having cocktails in their gardens.
I am a single mum working at home full time and home-schooling and believe me I've never worked so hard in my life!
I'd like to be paid 80% to what in effect is having a paid holiday with job there when this nightmare is all over. And all us tax payers have to pick up the bill for someone else's wages too - so future tax rises are likely. If furloughed people lose sensitivity to us breaking our backs, it shows a complete lack of understanding....

I don’t think many furloughed will be going back to jobs though

And I'm zero hours contractor so cosy full time job!

YABU, OP. However I’m currently wfh and live with my DM and DS who have been furloughed and are living their best life sunbathing in the garden and drinking gin all day. They have said that they’re glad they’re not me 😂 However, with lots of people losing their jobs and potentially losing their jobs, it’s not the time to be ungrateful.

I WFH. I WFH anyway as my job is field based, but it’s tough going from WFH and having plenty of opportunity to go out and travelling to meetings etc to WFH and being stuck at home. Especially being stuck in a flat.

At the moment, I’m just grateful my job is safe. I work in the internal recruitment team for one of the supermarkets, so we’re putting all our efforts as a team, into supporting our stores recruit for more people to manage the increase in online demand.

Whilst it might seem nice for those sitting at home being paid for doing nothing they’re not being paid a full salary. I get to keep my job and get paid a full salary. I’d rather that to be honest. Plus it keeps me busy during the day. I’d be bored stiff sitting at home doing diddly squat all day.

Just to point out again, many people who work in hospitality will not be getting 80% of their usual pay.
Tips and bonuses are not included in the calculation even though we pay tax on them.

@RosieMumOfOne Tax, pension all the usual still being taken out of the 80% furlough. It’s the same as being paid SMP after having a baby, we’re you happy to take that and not think about other people paying taxes for you to take your maternity time off? I’ve worked full time for 40 years think I’ve paid enough tax to cover my furlough thank you.

I'd like to be paid 80% to what in effect is having a paid holiday with job there when this nightmare is all over.

That REALLY isn’t how it’s going to pan out for many people and you’re an idiot not to see that.

And all us tax payers have to pick up the bill for someone else's wages too

Those being furloughed have paid plenty of tax and continue to do so. Wind your neck in. We’ve a long, long way to go before this is over, so I suggest you pace yourself in the ‘I’m paying for you’ stakes.

Those complaining that we'll have to pay higher tax to 'cover their wages', what would you prefer?

I, for one, would certainly not prefer the alternative which is thousands being made redundant when there may have been no need in a few months time.

I pay tax on thousands of pounds of tips a year that are not being included in the calculations.
Im losing way more than 20%.
Id love to be productive and decorate and plant my garden but funnily enough i cant afford to buy the supplies.

The whole complicated structure of economic support from the govt in the covid-19 crisis is the cause of the problem of feeling aggrieved by the furlough system. If there was a Universal Basic Income that all of us, working and non-working could get at this time, that would be the fairest way of dealing with things, rather than giving 80% of someone's wage to those on furlough. This would stop much of the bureaucracy of having to apply for support from the govt for both companies and the self-employed and also help to stop people going hungry who are not entitled to any benefits. It would allow people in non-essential businesses who would have been furloughed to do some work from home for their company or to get other key worker jobs on top of their UBI. It would make everyone's labour equal, whether you were working as a cleaner or a premier footballer. Of course housing costs might need to be paused for some time as well. It could change society. MPs are actively working on trying to introduce a form of UBI right now in the UK. leftfootforward.org/2020/04/mps-and-peers-demand-government-introduce-emergency-universal-basic-income/?mc_cid=08fcd23211&mc_eid=5e8ae2d8e8

If this coming recession/depression turns out to be as bad as feared, then UBI will be almost inevitable. That will be interesting.

I’m more annoyed with the Victoria Beckhams of this world Who are using a scheme designed for struggling businesses who literally can’t pay this staff. So Victoria Beckham, with her £365m in the bank and her brand new $18m penthouse in Miami, gets the taxpayer to fund paying her staff when she could so easily pay them herself. How can she even live with herself.

How can she even live with herself.

Because personal and company money are two totally different things. Its unusual for business owners to inject personal capital into their business.

With the greatest of respect sincerely fuck off. I take it u dont have kids? I am furloughed and my other half is working st home 10 hour days. If I have to play babies one more time with my darling 5 year old I dont quite know what I will do. I am doing all parenting all housework with the knowledge that yes I am very lucky to be furloughed to spend this time with my dd but also that if my company makes redundancies those who are on furlough will be the first to go. Stop being a dick.

YABU - I'm furloughed and I'm very worried I won't have a job to go back to. The business I work for can't function if social distancing is in place and I can't see how it would survive in it's current form if restrictions stay in place for months or even a year.

I'm the main earner in our household - without my income I don't know how we'd pay the mortgage.The prospect of being homeless with three kids isn't that attractive.

I'm enjoying my time with my family and the slower pace of life but am spending most of my day supporting DC (year 10) who has poor mental health and is struggling with school work No hot tubs here

My son started his first job in London after graduating last September. He loves it and has made new friends he's fond of. He's furloughed, 400 miles from home, isolated in a house with people he doesn't know and wondering if his job will even exist at the end of all this. I don't think he's enjoying it much.
Instead of building up resentment, let's face the fact that almost everyone is finding isolation very stressful and wondering what the future holds.