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Massive disagreement over the way of food shopping (DH and I)

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igotvegandbreadforyou · 23/04/2020 11:11

NC for this topic as I'm going to discuss an argument/disagreement between DH and me had last night and he would hate to be identified in RL.

We have been strictly sticking to the lockdown rules and I've stepped out of our home only three times so far, all for food shopping. DH has been out almost everyday but for his once a day exercise or/and visiting his very isolated allotment. He goes out only early morning, usually comes back home at around 7 am. He says no one is around as it's so early.

My first trip to our local Tesco Express was with DH - he drove and waited in a car and I went grab stuff. It was at the opening time so very quiet.

The second trip was to our local corner shop and I went alone on foot (3 mins) in an evening. My friend told me the shop was usually very quiet in the evenings (7-8 pm) and I needed milk and bread for DH (I don't need them). DH didn't like it as he believed early morning was the best time to go but it was quiet as my friend said and I got what he needed - he needs lots of milk for his cereal and snacks on toasts daytime. So this didn't develop into an argument.

The third trip was to our local Tesco Express by car - this was last night and I went alone. Earlier the day, DH said we were running out a few essentials such as vegs and bread so we would need to go shopping again soon. I heard our local Tesco was fairly quiet in the evenings so decided to go. I am the cook in our household so I really wanted to fill our fridge to feed my family the next day.

When I got back home with three huge shopping bags, I started sterilizing them as I always do then had a shower as I always do. I got a lot of yummy stuff which would make DH super happy the next day. But he wasn't happy and he got very very angry that I went shopping...

His point was that I was risking my family by going out for shopping. Apparently I was being selfish and irresponsible. He thinks we should only go out once two weeks and only very early morning.

I can see what he means but as the one who plans meals, once two weeks is a bit too ambitious. I would like to go at least once a week. Some of my friends go twice a week! We have a teen boy who eats like a horse too. Also, I think it doesn't matter if I go in the evening or morning as long as the shop is quiet. I can see early morning may be 'cleaner' as fewer people have entered the shop on the day but evenings work better for my schedule.

I argued back to him that if I was selfish because I went shopping for family (and it happened only three times so far) he would also be selfish that he would go out for his exercise every single day. I had asked him to buy milk and bread on way home sometimes (then I don't need to go shopping so often) but so far he hasn't done this and always comes back home empty-handed. I think he thinks going to shop is high risk in general, but it's very early morning which is the time he thinks the safest to shop.... I have no intention to push anyone to do something they feel unsafe or uncomfortable so I had never ever complained about it. But last night I pointed this out too. At this point he wasn't listening to me so I am not sure how much he heard what I said.

This morning, I said 'good morning' to him but he ignored. Clearly he is still very angry. But I know he would happily eat whatever I prepare using the stuff I bought yesterday.

I understand he is only trying to protect us so his anger is coming from good intention but I feel he is forcing me what he believes best and zero understanding nor flexibility to try to see what I think fine to do. I wear a mask and gloves, clean all the items I bring into our family home, have a shower straight and wash all the clothes I wore outside. I think I am doing all I can to be responsible and at very least I go out to get what my family need not just for exercise to fulfil my need.

Am I missing anything here? How could I make him see my point? Or phahaps I need to understand his views more? Please tell me your thoughts! I may show DH this thread if needed...

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SophieB100 · 23/04/2020 13:41

I haven't read the whole thread yet OP, but I have to say you sound very subservient and eager to please your DH. "I got a lot of yummy stuff that would make DH super happy the next day" made me wince! You don't have to make him "super happy" - why are you trying to please him so much?
Your relationship balance is skewed. That's the problem here, not shopping.

Mummyoflittledragon · 23/04/2020 13:42

It sounds like you are doing an awful lot of people pleasing here. Perhaps your dh is scared, but this level of control is descending into health anxiety territory. Not good. If your family needs food, your choices are he shops or you shop. As he’s clearly refusing, you will need to go. It is totally unacceptable to leave your dc without food.

justasking111 · 23/04/2020 13:49

BTW you can freeze milk and bread so easy to buy two weeks worth at a time.

I saw this post and though wtf. fine if you have a chest freezer.

dementedpixie · 23/04/2020 13:50

I have no room in my freezer for extra milk or bread either

justasking111 · 23/04/2020 13:52

My OH scoffed when I quietly prepped at the beginning of March, instead of buying one of everything bought two and stored.

Now he is the stazi. I just look at him when he spouts stuff I resolutely did not because he would have thought me mad.

He is nuttier than me Grin

lottiegarbanzo · 23/04/2020 14:00

I'm an, admittedly partial, shopping washer and postal quarantiner. It's not crazy.

The rationale is that the virus can persist on packaging for a few days (maybe one on paper, 3+ on plastic. The exact numbers don't matter if you wash everything. They do if you quarantine stuff).

So, if you just put things away, then get them out again within that time period, you could get virus on your hands from the packaging - both when putting away and when getting them out again.

Could because an infected person would have to have handled them; in the warehouse, stacking shop shelves, at the checkout, when delivering. Then, you'd have to get it on your hands, then touch your face before washing them (or touch other things, spread it around your house, then pick it up from those things later).

That's not so likely to have happened during March's panic shopping, because fewer people had the virus at that point, so were in a position to spread it around.

It's a thing that could happen, not that will.

diddl · 23/04/2020 14:00

Sounds more control than concern tbh.

I've been trying to shop at quiet times but took dog to vet this morning so did a shop whilst out & about.

Husband is glad that
a)meals are being organised/there is food in the house (and toilet paper!!!)
b)he didn't have to bother!

igotvegandbreadforyou · 23/04/2020 14:02

I haven't read the whole thread yet OP, but I have to say you sound very subservient and eager to please your DH. "I got a lot of yummy stuff that would make DH super happy the next day" made me wince! You don't have to make him "super happy" - why are you trying to please him so much? Your relationship balance is skewed.
Maybe we stand on a different ground then. I don't see any problem with trying to make the people I care happy. I do the same to my DC, my parents and friends. I would say I have no problem with trying to do so for people I don't know very well too. Why do you think it's skewed? We just have a disagreement over food shopping in this unusual situation. I think I've been trying to listen to him to ease his anxiety but feel he hasn't and his anxiety is taking over everything. Or am I the one who is being unreasonable? That's my question in this thread.

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JKScot4 · 23/04/2020 14:11

Why does your DH have his own boxes of food?

fascinated · 23/04/2020 14:14

He is being unreasonable.

But I would have informed him (not asked him) that I was going last night before I went.

LannieDuck · 23/04/2020 14:17

Perhaps he should take over meal planning, cooking and shopping for the next 2 weeks? If he can manage to just go shopping once, I might concede he has a point.

I feel that the person who is doing the chore gets to decide what time is convenient for them etc. If he doesn't like you shopping in the evening, then he can do it (and choose what time).

igotvegandbreadforyou · 23/04/2020 14:19

But I would have informed him (not asked him) that I was going last night before I went.
I agree, I was wrong I didn't tell him I would go. I told DC and popped out. I can't why he was upset.

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igotvegandbreadforyou · 23/04/2020 14:20

*I CAN see why he was upset.

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Hopefulmidwife · 23/04/2020 14:21

OP, is your husband aware what the lockdown is for? It's not to protect us. It's to make sure the NHS isn't overwhelmed - covid-19 isn't just going to disappear because we all stay inside. We will all probably get a strain of it eventually. You need to allow yourself to go out once in a while, and make your DP go shopping himself!

SophieB100 · 23/04/2020 14:23

Apologies if I upset you OP, that really wasn't my intention at all. Of course you want to make your DH and family happy, I get that. I didn't mean to come over as attacking you. I perhaps got the wrong impression, from your OP, that you walk on eggshells around him to keep him happy, my mistake.

Can I suggest that perhaps your DH has very strong anxiety over this, a real fear of shopping, and that perhaps he feels very guilty and angry with himself because, due to his fear, he feels every time you go out, he's putting you in danger? So then he lashes out and over-reacts?Does that make any sense?

I'll go now, because the last thing I want to do is upset you.

MinnieMountain · 23/04/2020 14:23

We shop twice a week but we don't have a car. MIL has lots of salad as she has to be careful about her weight. That lasts a week.

I'd say once a week is reasonable with a bit of planning.

fascinated · 23/04/2020 14:24

Overall, it sounds very difficult for you.

Is there any way you can sit down at a quiet time and discuss how to handle food shopping, to come up with a plan together? I know lots of people are saying you’re being treated badly, etc, but it is a stressful time. Acknowledging that you are probably both stressed but that you’d like to discuss it to come up with a mutually acceptable compromise might be a way forward. If it is no better after that then I would post again.

MinnieMountain · 23/04/2020 14:25

And I agree with PP that you need to get out more. Since your DC is a teenager, could you go early morning like your DH if you're worried?

Ceebs85 · 23/04/2020 14:30

You're both ridiculous. Him for having an issue with you buying food and you for writing such an unnecessarily long post about a complete none event

Callimanco · 23/04/2020 14:31

None of us want to be ill. But the fact is, no human (except a small number of people with advantageous genetic mutations) is immune to this virus. Unless a vaccination is found, the reality is most of us who will not be in severe danger of dying need to get it to protect those who are.

I think people have lost track of the fact that we aren't in lockdown to protect young healthy people. The risks if you are below 55 ish are very small, unless you fall into the named shielding categories. We are in lockdown to protect the NHS from a lot of people needing hospital treatment at once, and to protect our shielding family members. We are in lockdown to protect our seniors and our vulnerable.

The bit I find illogical for people like me in late 40s, is, I am in the cusp of falling into a higher risk area. It seems unlikely this disease is going away and the chances are I will get it at some point. Would it be better to get it this year or in 3 or 4 years time? In absolute age risk terms, this year is by far the better bet. At the moment I don't have high blood pressure or a bmi over 40, I don't have cancer as far as I know, or brittle asthma. I accept that I need to get it. I just don't want to get it the exact same week as a million others, so that if I do need some oxygen, it will be available to me.

Some people have lost track of the reasons for our actions I think, and have become disproportionately afraid of the virus despite being young, fit and healthy.

And yes I know that a very few young fit and healthy people have died from covid, and in every case that is if course a tragedy. But we don't live our lives in fear of such low risk "what ifs", or we would never get in a car in case we die in a road accident.

Littlemissdaredevil · 23/04/2020 14:34

Firstly stop buying milk, bread and yummy stuff for your DH. Assuming he is fit and well he can go and buy this for himself.

Secondly, why has DH got boxes of food to himself? Surely that should be family food?

How does you DH know the shops are ‘safer’ first thing? He does know that the shop staff don’t individually clean every time or packet of food over night. Here all the shops are busy first thing!

jeanne16 · 23/04/2020 14:39

Callimanco. It is good to read something sensible. I am 61 and had Covid about a month ago. It was grim and pretty unpleasant but having come through it, I am thrilled to have had it.

We ALL need to get it so we can go back to normal.

Macncheeseballs · 23/04/2020 14:41

If you have a car can't you just go fortnightly and buy more in one go?

SomeoneElseEntirelyNow · 23/04/2020 14:41

Solution is simple - he does the meal plan, cooking and shopping.

igotvegandbreadforyou · 23/04/2020 14:44

SophieB100
I didn't take it 'attacking', so no need to apologise. It's free to express your thoughts anyway. I just wanted to point out that trying to please people isn't an unhealthy thing in my dictionary. I often come across very aggressive attitude on MN as if giving is a symbol of a loser and that's not how I see the world. Apologies if I overreacted.

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