To think that some police are just yobs in uniform

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@ksf5555xxx you've obviously not read the rest of my comments then have you. You're the only one derailing the thread. Have a

@catonalaptop would it be likely that the officer would be suspended on full pay?

Will the other 2 officers present be involved in the investigation some how?

I appreciate you won't know the specifics but there just be some sort of universal procedure.

If most people routinely seek out careers where their natural abilities, skills and personalities are compatible with the role, it stands to reason that those who are abusive in any way will also see the opportunities to exercise their particular proclivities as a criteria when looking for a career - hence some police officers being overly aggressive/racist/sexist, some teachers being paedophiles, and so on. It is reassuring to know that the police as a community recognise that, and are trying to change things.

I work with many police officers in my second job and have noticed a shift. The older generation, and those who were mentored by them, had a lot of dinosaurs who were openly sneering about women and people from black communities, as well as what they called the "underclass". This was maybe 10 years ago. A lot of these longer serving officers retired due to having reached 30 years service, and the more recent recruits who took their place in my work context were less misogynistic and also less aggressive when it came to dealing with the public. Then the law changed around compulsory retirement, and now they no longer force those with 30 years service to retire, and a lot of the previous retirees came back as consultants, or in training positions at the College of Policing. What that means for future generations of police is unclear but if they are being shown that these attitudes are acceptable, then it undermines the good work being done in other areas.

I don't condone the actions of the officer filmed here - however it is quite mild compared to what I have seen from others. It is, in my view, a product of years of entrenched attitudes and a personal bent towards bullying, that seem to have come together.

Before I retired, I was a Police Officer. I saw a number of unacceptable behaviours. But Police Officers are controlled by the Police Act 1996. It is (rightly) much more intrusive and powerful than any other employment legislation.
Given the kind of things that Police Officers have to deal with (and nobody else is able to deal with), I suggest that some posters need to "Wind their necks In".

I suggest that some posters need to "Wind their necks In

Wow, you sound a real charmer.

Just wanted to say all the police I have encountered within our area have been great and he is certainly not the norm round here.

@OnlyAMan Funny the 1996 act hasn't controlled Police corruption that well.

If it's so powerful I can't help but wonder why the Met Police and Scotland Yards ANTI-CORRUPTION units were investigated for CORRUPTION in the last 2 years.

And there are literally murderers in medicine (Harold Shipman for example). I've witnessed some incredibly terrible nurses and doctors, had extremely bad teachers, rip off mechanics, there was even a paedophile leading the local scouts where I used to live. I've also met wonderful teachers, nurses, doctors, mechanics, volunteers etc. You can't blame an entire organisation on the minority.

There are pricks in every line of work. If you see examples of this or are treated badly, report them. There are processes in place to remove people like this.

@Chocolatelove

Here's a quote from Her Majestys Inspectorate of Constabulary commissioned literature review into Police Corruption and Integrity in 2015 and why the notion of 'bad apples' is damaging when applied to the Police Force as the "history of Policing has too many examples of institutionalised corruption for this 'explanation' to carry much credence"

"‘Bad apples’
When corruption is uncovered there is a tendency within organisations, including
the police service, to suggest or imply that the problem is one that is confined to
a few rogue members or ‘bad apples’. This canard can be dealt with quickly.
First, whilst it is perfectly possible, on occasion, for an individual, or a small
number of individuals, to engage in highly unethical conduct, the history of
policing has too many examples of institutionalised corruption for this
‘explanation’ to carry much credence. Moreover, the notion of ‘bad apples’ has a
number of far-reaching and potentially damaging implications. First, it narrows
the scope of attention, often directing concern away from others – often those in
positions of power and authority – whose conduct also ought to be subject to
critical scrutiny. Second, it implies that, barring the individual ‘bad apples’,
everything in the organisation is otherwise sound. This is rarely the case. Third,
and linked to this earlier point, the very notion of ‘bad apples’ implies little is
required other than the investigation and punishment of these individuals.
Punishment, often severe, of a small number of individuals therefore becomes
the default response to a corruption scandal.
Such a response is flawed in at least two ways. It is informed by general
deterrence theory, and assumes that such punishments will ‘send out a
message’ to other officers about expected standards of conduct. This may have
some substance but the evidence for any deterrent effect is not strong (Tonry,
2008). Worse still, as suggested, such an approach fails to identify all those
likely to be implicated in the ‘wrongdoing’ (often failing to hold supervisors or
managers to account for example) and also fails to confront the structural
problems or issues that tend to underpin the misconduct at the centre of the
scandal. Indeed, there is little that could be more damaging to the health of the
police service than recourse to a ‘bad apples’ explanation in response to
corruption. As the American reformist Commissioner, Patrick V Murphy, once
put it: “The task of corruption control is to examine the barrel, not just the apples
– the organization, not just the individuals in it – because corrupt police are
made, not born.” (quoted in Barker and Carter, 1986: 10). "

I suggest that some posters need to "Wind their necks In"

See, this attitude is exactly the kind of dismissive stroppiness I expect from police.

@OnlyaMan tell me, what do you think of the video in the OP and the officer losing his temper and threatening to fabricate a crime?

What about the fact that half of police officers think there's a level of corruption in the police?

What about the women and children constantly let down by police who are either sloppy, classist or misogynistic? Poppi Worthington was a 11 month old who was anally raped and her rapist is free because Barrow Police bungled the evidence. What about the Rochdale and Rotherham child six abuse victims who weren't helped by local bobbies because they were perceived to be "slags"? Or the woman who was cautioned for wasting police time when she reported her ex - who went on to murder her? These mistakes have cost actual lives - I'll die before I "wind my neck in" thank you very much

Do you deny there's a culture problem in the police force? Or is it all just a coincidence that these things happen again and again. The Police Act 1996 is all very well but in practice it seems to have done very little in the way of protecting anyone.