To think that some police are just yobs in uniform

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Which is the equivalent of what we've already seen on this thread

It is absolutely not the equivalent.

1. No one is saying he did nothing wrong (well maybe one idiot) merely that the sanction should be appropriate.

1. Shouting mean things at someone who is aggressive to you is not the same as sexually assaulting someone.

1. Anyone saying doctors are sexual predators would get the same push back as the people saying police officers are thugs. Another common one is claiming teachers are bullies and you see the same response.

"his action will be subject rightly so to a disciplinary" because it was recorded

I used to think differently back in the day when they used to go after criminals, but now I see them as just another gang to be avoided.

I thought that even before they started visiting women to intimidate them as a favour to someone on twitter.

My husband used to be a policeman and said, sadly, just like in every profession there are bad eggs.

So many good though.....as in every walk of life.

YANBU, some are, but our neighbour is police and she was really helpful dealing with a scary situation with another neighbour, so glad she came to our rescue. Maybe more female police officers are needed!

"Shouting mean things at someone" Shouting threats which not only are they capable of carrying out, but they belong to an organisation which has a history of doing just that.

I think every large organisation has people in it that shouldn’t be there. That doesn’t mean that every police officer is like this there are many hard working compassionate officers, but it’s people like this that shouldn’t be in the job.

This doesn't stand up. There are load of other officer stood round like fucking lemons whist your man physically threatens the kid and threatens him with a trumped up charge (otherwise described as assault and perverting the course of justice).

The fuckers are all in it together. They are as bad as each other. I would love to believe otherwise but that video's your unchallengeable proof

I'm not defending this cop btw

Yes you are. of course you are. How can you even type that?

his action will be subject rightly so to a disciplinary

Which might result in him being given 'words of advice'.

Pull the other one.

YANBU

Of course they apologised, they were caught. Otherwise they would be denying it like everyone else. They aren't special perfect people because they did a few courses on telling people to remain calm. Some of them do a reasonable job and uphold the law themselves the rest are pretty useless hypocrites ime.

Of course this officer is entirely in the wrong and should be disciplined. However in my dealings with the police (traffic incidents, a burglary..) they have been courteous and professional. However I don’t attack them physically or verbally either. We expect them to do the difficult jobs which now fall to them..dealing with serious mental health patients, going into situations where they don’t know if they will come out uninjured or worse.... would most of us want their job?

YANBU OP, that police officer is definitely more like a yob and he's disgusting the he's swearing at those lads. In fact he has such a temper I'd say he could easily lose it. Probably the sort who goes home and beats up his wife. Sooner or later his brute like temper will lose him his job at the least.

Yes of course. But when e.g Drs sexually assault patients people don't come on to threads and say 'well they've got a stressful job and some patients are flirtatious

Pretty sure in the case of the dr who spied on a 15 year old stress or marital issues were cited as his defence.

Police are people. Like people some are good slow are bad and others somewhere in between. You don't know until situations where the power gets to their head and finally they show themselves.

Money and power corrupt. Humans cannot handle it half the time.

There are 123,000 cops in England - so you are generalising this across the board. Or if you are criticising one pc perhaps say that.

I keep saying this: policemen are men. It's no more inflammatory than saying people are people, and police are still skewed by sex. Yes some of them are no better than any other men out there. Some of them are. Official attitudes have improved in Britain, and they do get training.

There are 123,000 cops in England - so you are generalising this across the board. Or if you are criticising one pc perhaps say that.

there are three cops in the video. one assaults a member of the public and threatens to arrest him on trumped up charges. Do the other two (a) call him out and/or report his behaviour or (b) stand around like lemons in tacit approval?

take a wild guess

Dancingbear, how do you know what the other two did post incident?

You don't. Neither do I.
You've seen a 20 sec video as have I.

"Words of advice" or management action is a recognised disciplinary outcome....

What would you recommend?

@Don.

It is absolutely the equivalent.

Always on these threads people try to justify abuse by Police.

Always saying 'of course it's wrong...but..'

Always citing how stressful their jobs are.

Always seeking to justify it by saying they were provoked in some way.

You can see it on this thread.

'They have difficult jobs'

'Would most of us want their job?'

'They work long hours and get a lot of abuse'

'They deal with scummy people and sometimes get fed up'

'Everyone can lose their rag'

'Maybe it was the straw that broke the camels back'

'These people (the victim of Police harassment) are low lives'

How is that different to someone coming onto a thread about a Dr sexually assaulting someone and saying 'of course it's wrong but....they have really stressful jobs and work long hours and get a lot of abuse and are stressed out and maybe the Dr was tired and just didn't explain what they were doing properly or they just made a mistake and performed an unecessary physical examination because they were overworked and stressed out.'

You do know the convictions of sexual assault by Drs are usually because the sexual assaults are unecessary examinations and the victims are often unsure whether they were assaulted or not?

Or the Drs who have 'consensual' sex with vulnerable patients despite everything in their training and code of conduct saying that is completely unacceptable due to the power dynamics. Would it be okay to say 'lots of patients are attracted to their Drs and make advances to them, when you're stressed out and overworked the Dr might make a mistake and things get out of hand'.

The difference is most people wouldn't seek to come up with a 'reasonable explanation' for Dr - patient abuse but always want to with Police Officers for some reason.

^Dancingbear, how do you know what the other two did post incident?

You don't. Neither do I.^

If the matter has subsequently been reported by the other officers to the IPCC then that would've been broadcast by the Police. It hasn't been, so it didn't happen.

With respect, you''re being obtuse. We both know this didn't happen.

^"Words of advice" or management action is a recognised disciplinary outcome....

What would you recommend?^

If I squared up to a member of the public, shouted in their face and threatened to have them prosecuted based on fabricated evidence, I would certainly expect to be sacked. I'd probably expect some kind of police involvement. I think this is what should happen here. Is your workplace any different?

@Buster72

You're right, we don't know.

But we do know that a report commisioned by the Police into Police corruption just a few years ago found that about 50% of over 17,000 officers surveyed said they wouldn't report their colleagues because they had no confidence it would be properly investigated by their superiors and feared it would cause harm to their own careers.

*Of course there are some right yobs/bastards/cunts in the Police Force, as there are in ALL occupations/age groups/gender/race/class/religion etc etc etc.

There is no test or evaluation that would identify them before they get the job*

Personally I think there should be. There are too many documented reports of this now for it not to be considered a common mindset in this particular occupation.

@Buster72

Straight question. Do you think police officers should be sacked for threatening to fabricate evidence to have people prosecuted on trumped-up charges?

If not, why not?

If he's a one off/having bad day why didn't his colleagues step up and tell him he was out of order (or at least that it was a really stupid thing to do!)

If he's a one off/having bad day why didn't his colleagues step up and tell him he was out of order (or at least that it was a really stupid thing to do!)

If you read the thread Buster72 thinks they may have reported him to his superiors and/or the IPCC. So it's fine.

*Straight question. Do you think police officers should be sacked for threatening to fabricate evidence to have people prosecuted on trumped-up charges?

If not, why not?*

Because there would be hardly any police officers left! They've been using this 'technique' for years- is it right, no....is it common, absolutely.

The only difference now is social media

@thedancingbear , I work in school, unfortunately I can imagine a situation where a teacher, working under pressure, having a bad day and pushed to the limits by a particularly difficult teenager might lose their temper, get in their face and make threats like that because we're all human. I can't imagine that their colleagues would ever just watch it happen without stepping in, regardless of whether they planned to report it afterwards.