To think that some police are just yobs in uniform

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@oncemorewithfeelingplease 😂 it's been doing the rounds hasn't it. As soon as I saw the thread I knew it would be this!

We don't know what the other officers did or did not do before or after this 20 sec snapshot in time.
Nor do we have any clue what transpired before the officer loses his temper.
There is no context.

Is his reaction wrong and poorly considered ?
Yes.

Does he deserve an investigation and sanction yes.

One that looks at the interaction as a whole yes.

Losing his job, not based upon 20 secs video with armchair generals making a decision.

I don't know what would happen in your workplace dancingbear if you squared up to your customer, but I dare say if a customer was rude, threatening or had a documented history of violence against you or your colleagues. You would want someone to step in....

(Any idea of the "trumped up charges" cause I only hear "who they going to believe, me or you")

As an Asian man it sadly doesn’t surprise me at all, the problem is that police officers who are good at their jobs will be tarred with the same brush by some people.

Obviously some are twats, like the ones who enjoy calling people “darkies” during stop and search.

I think the fact that the other officer didn't step in to stop it suggests that it wasn't the first time they'd seen it happen. 20s is quite long enough to decide you need to do "something".

Maybe they were fed up of him letting the side down and no action being taken so they decided to let it play out to get something done (they must have known it was being filmed?) but that wasn't unusual or shocking behaviour to him.

I have had dreadful experiences with the police, some annoying experiences and some really good experiences.

Just like any role there are people who shouldn’t hold the job. Unlike some roles, the harm those people do is magnified by their role.

he was naughty he'll receive words of advice they will be along the lines of 'check you're not being filmed next time and if you are take phone as evidence and drop it in canal accidentally. When you nick him again beat the little shit up good'

If I was filmed telling a service user I would make up an allegation against them I would be sacked. I would also be referred to my regulatory body and would expect to face striking off. And that is how it should be. I would expect the same for this police officer- well actually, no, what I expect to happen is a load of guff about isolated incidents and extreme pressure and retraining and great sorrow but nothing to actually come of it, whilst a bunch of people who don't generally get abused by the police sit around saying how they have such a hard life and it's unfair to punish them if they are abusive.

@Iwalkinmyclothing very true

I had a friend from school who became a police officer after uni. We stopped being friends shortly after, she was such a judgemental drag. We’d be out and about and she’d start glaring at people, telling me she was ‘keeping a close eye on them because they looked dodgy’. This was purely because of the clothes they were wearing fwiw, they weren’t doing anything dodgy at all. Once on a night out she totally ruined it by obsessing over a group of guys in the bar, convinced they were going to start a fight.

She once invited me to a pub quiz with her police mates and they all sat laughing at people they had been to visit over the past week. Referred to them as ‘Jeremy Kyle scum’ and were joking about clearly vulnerable people. I just totally lost interest in her as a person.

@Buster72

The whole fucking point is that the officer shouldn't be 'losing his temper' full stop.

If the Police cannot control their anger, how the fuck can they be trusted to appropriately deal with situations?

How are they in any way able to protect the public or deal with crime (or be seen as any different from the people they want to prosecute) if they lose their shit and start threatening people?

They are trained in de-escalation. They are supposed to be able to control themselves because you know, being a professional and a public servant and all that jazz.

If you can't control your temper you should NOT be in a position of authority anywhere. Least of all, the Police force.

He should be sacked. The public need to have confidence that the Police Force can manage their anger, are professionals and don't threaten to falsify evidence and deprive someone of their liberty as retribution because they didn't like someone mouthing off at them.

YANBU.

Sadly MN is full of police worshippers who, despite the continued failings include that to protect women as girls from being murdered, will fall over themselves to excuse bad behaviour because their Nigel is a copper.

The police culture needs an enormous overhaul in this country. It's simply not good enough

And yes there's bastards in every industry but there seems to be a disproportionate amount in the police

The youngster here may be something of a yob or more. The police officer might have had a bad day. It doesn't really matter. An individual who is tasked with upholding the law and holding others to account for their actions used threatening behaviour, physical intimidation, said they would fabricate charges, and falsely arrest someone; and thought that they should be believed purely because they are a police officer.

I'm sure that youngster has determined to mend his ways, have respect for the police force and for the law. Not.

And the police wonder why people don't have respect for them, and are reluctant to help them. It doesn't matter how many "good apples" there are in the barrel, because there are always more than enough bad ones willing to let them down.

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swearing at someone who disagrees with you shouldn't happen....

But you just did and we are not even in the same room.

The police are drawn from the population. Do you have a pool of candidates who never lose their temper? Is robotic automatons your policing ideal ?

Sadly MN is full of police worshippers who, despite the continued failings include that to protect women as girls from being murdered, will fall over themselves to excuse bad behaviour because their Nigel is a copper.

I've seen this attitude change recently...not so many wanting to even admit 'their Nigel is a copper'....

This behaviour isn't new, it's just being seen now.

The police are drawn from the population. Do you have a pool of candidates who never lose their temper? Is robotic automatons your policing ideal ?

He didn't just swear. He threatened to commit the crime of perverting the course of justice. A crime that nearly always carries a prison sentence.

99+% of us manage to go through life without doing something like this.

The police should be judged by the standards of decent society, not yours, which appear to be through the floor.

If the Police cannot control their anger, how the fuck can they be trusted to appropriately deal with situations?

Absolutely this.

The police should be judged by the standards of decent society, not yours, which appear to be through the floor

And this.

For those saying there is no context, there doesn't need to be.
The police officer in this clip acted illegally. It doesn't matter what preceded it. He is not allowed to lose his temper. I can't think of a time in my 40 years of working that I have lost my temper with a service member no matter how provoked I've been. I don't because I would be sacked.
It does matter that he lost it and threatened to arrest someone on made up charges with the power caveat of 'who are people going to believe?'. And he has the powers to see through that threat.That his two colleagues did nothing is collusion.
They should all be sacked imo.

The fact that some people want to find extenuating circumstances to justify it is the most worrying part for me. It suggests it's far more common than a shocking one off.

If one of my staff behaved like that, I'd think they needed an extended period of leave to get their mental health resolved, that would be the only possible reason to be yelling in a member of the public's face and making threats, yet those who want to defend him don't appear to have considered that.

The only possible response, especially from those who support the police is that this was outrageous and unjustifiable behaviour. To try and defend it just damages public faith in the police even more.

Yes, it's a very difficult job and the lad probably pressed all the right buttons, that's exactly why a police officer needs to be able to deal with it.

I'm surprised that there are people defending this man, it's absolutely baffling.

If you can find the original video on Facebook, there's at least 5 or 6 people that have had similar experiences with the same man, or worse, he's apparently quite 'known' for it.

If you can find the original video on Facebook, there's at least 5 or 6 people that have had similar experiences with the same man, or worse, he's apparently quite 'known' for it.

It's not just about the one man though. people can talk about 'bad apples' all they like. The two colleagues stood round watching it happen do nothing. They are complicit. The problem is cultural and institutional.

Of course there are good and bad in every profession. That's inevitable because people are human, they make mistakes and everyone has a bad day.

We probably all know police officers personally, be they friends, family, neighbours, acquaintances, who are lovely people who do a fantastic job.

BUT (and it is a fucking massive but) there is a significant number of police who are shockingly bad - and because of the nature of their role, when they perform it badly, or incompetently, or are prejudiced against certain sectors of the population, it can have a very serious and significant impact. Whoever said school bullies often end up as police officers was spot on. Plus racism, sexism, domestic violence, serial infidelity (I've not been propositioned by many married men thankfully, but those that have were all serving or ex police officers), lack of knowledge or understanding of the law they are trying to enforce, misapplication of powers etc.

Those of you who feel the police always do a great job, act with the best of intent, understand and fairly apply the law - have a look at the Crimebodge stuff on YouTube. You should find it enlightening.

Some definitely.

True story, my physically and mentally abusive and rapist ex went on to marry a woman who became a police officer.

She was as much of a bullying head case as him, I wouldn't have liked to have come across her in her line of work.

I heard through the grapevine vine that they had a colourful relationship before she had an affair with a married copper.

I also witnessed 5 police officers put a man in handcuffs and search his car last week, before releasing him to go into the shop where he later cane out with bread and milk.

I promise you I saw a policeman littering yesterday, I was cycling down a side road behind the station and caught him chucking the plastic wrapper that incases cigarettes.

I feel equally as guilty I didn’t do anything, I was in shock, on a 1 way road going at pace and by the time I’d computed what I witnessed I was quite a bit away and didn’t really know what I’d done if I had gone back?!

Unpopular opinion but I think ‘some’ police officers are just school bullies who never made it anywhere else in life and like throwing their weight around and the badge.