To think that a personality cult has developed around Boris Johnson?

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I know this sounds completley ridiculous but have a quick look around social media and in particular Twitter, and you will see a disturbing number of people with lots of union flags in their twitter handle name who effectively think that the sun shines out of his arse, that he can do no wrong and that any justifiable criticism of his or his governments handling of the current crisis is part of a massive 'leftie' conspiracy against him.

They are terrified of 'lefties's and 'liberals' and think all of the media are out to get Boris and his government, it is just bat shit. Its not just Twitter either, I had to unfriend someone on Facebook after they told me that I should 'show Boris some fucking respect' a few weeks ago. This was after I'd shared something criticising his handling of the pandemic. Thankfully it was somone I don't really know that well and never have to see again, but still!

If im honest it all a bit disturbing. Its reminscent of a personality cult IMO, 'how dare you disrespect our glorious leader'.

@mummmy2017 They tried to invade via the south of England, so it's by definition true that it was England and not Scotland they were attacking at that time. They also bombed London and not Edinburgh. They would no doubt have intended to conquer the whole of the UK eventually but they didn't succeed in invading even England.

Basically, England only refers to the country to the south of Scotland apart from the area that forms the country of Wales. That's how it always has been.

You can say what you like, but asked who Germany tried to invade most people say England, knowing it included everyone .
But PC today let's people nit pick, as their need to be correct and score points is paramount.
MN is full of point scorers, and it turns the forums into echo chambers.
So for England please replace with Great Britain.

Pointing out that the UK consists of four different countries is neither politically correct nor nit picking. Accuracy is important.

I've never referred to Great Britain as England, or had any difficulty with the concept. Maybe it's because I've always known plenty of people from Scotland and Wales, and I know it was an important part of their identity.

It's certainly not because I'm nitpicking or PC; I've no problem with identifying myself as being from England. It's simply because I like to be accurate and respectful of others.

Mummy likes to tell everyone on here what to think and what to say.
It’s kind of sad? 👀

Mummys right, i remember when the UK won the world cup in 1966, where they beat a unified Germany :)

Seriously, Chamberlain declared war on Nazi Germany in 1939, he stayed in power until ousted in May 1940 by Churchill.

Just because a Govt is in power, it does mean they are beyond criticism and neither is it unpatriotic to do so.

Meanwhile deaths rise to over 20k and we are still around 700 per day over the last five days.
When we look at the decision to allow elderly CV patients back to care homes and no else tested (a decision taken was Johnson was well) no one in their right mind can say that is beyond criticism, it was a complete failure of basic infection control, taught to any 1st year healthcare student, so hindsight isn't an excuse either.

I find it bizzare who much certain people seem to idolise Borris.
I preferred Teresa May.
What exactly is he doing and where is he?
He should be leading from the front not leaving it up to those beneath him to flounder and stumble on, hoping that if they bore us to death rather than speak in concise, precise facts we will just nod and say alrighty then.
I don’t find anything to admire about Borris.
He was born with a silver spoon in his mouth.
I’m quite sure if he was Dave the Plumber from up the road he would be spoken about in very different terms.
Twice married. Committed adultery within both marriages. Has fathered illegitimate children whilst married to another woman. Got a woman pregnant twice resulting in 2 abortions whilst married to another woman.
His latest illegitimate child will be born to a woman 24 years his junior.
Yeah I’m sure we would all be thinking he was admirable if he was Dave the plumber.
Then there is his politics .
What exactly is he doing?

"illegitimate children" I think you mean children.

It's not nit picking when someone has a Raabsian sense of geography. If he had learnt the basics he wouldn't have made such a tit of himself, when he expressed surprise at how much trade went via Dover. The worst thing was, he didn't even know that it was fairly basic knowledge.

Where is Boris? Well, he is supposed to have been at death's door. The trouble is, he's the sort of man who lies so often, that no one knows what to believe.

Isn't it better to refer to the children born out of wedlock as illegitimate, which is what they are? Or would you rather they were called bastards?

Isn't it better to refer to the children born out of wedlock as illegitimate, which is what they are? Or would you rather they were called bastards?

I thought exactly the same thing.

Well, one of the intensive care nurses that looked after Boris has been interviewed now and she's said that Boris was in intensive care and needed to be. So it's clear that he isn't back at work because he hasn't recovered from COVID-19; I've had what was almost certainly that (untested) and I'm not better yet, far from it, despite not having been in intensive care.

I'm not by any stretch a Boris supporter (I've never voted Tory and never will), but there really isn't any reason not to think that he really has been ill. (He was stupid enough to shake hands with COVID-19 patients so it would have been more surprising if he hadn't caught it really.)

The lies came before, when we were initially told over and over again that if was 'mild' and then that he was in hospital and then intensive care 'as a precaution'.

Isn't it better to refer to the children born out of wedlock as illegitimate, which is what they are? Or would you rather they were called *bastards?
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An illegitimate child is more often called a 'love child' these days. But seeing as so many children are born without their parents being married, it's surely somewhat archaic to have a term of any sort for them?

I think think the marital status of your parents is fairly irrelevant to anyone else. Not even worth a mention I would say. But does Boris actually know how many kids he has? Has he acknowledged all of them? Does he financially and emotionally support them? Does he behave like a good father? These are more important things to be concerned about.

It may be an archaic term, but I believe it still has legal repercussions.
Most of us would make a distinction between children born into a committed relationship where the parents are not married, and one where the the husband shags around, and doesn't seem to know how many children he has.

True, there is a distinction in that way, but it's the parents who are blamed these days, not the child. Historically, it was the child who was termed a 'bastard' and looked down upon.

Churchill was voted out with a landslide.

Churchill was so well loved that the general public voted him out at the first opportunity and Labour got in with a landslide.

Churchill got the last laugh however by kicking out the socialists in 1951 and beginning a long period of Conservative ascendancy.

Much like the current one

In 1951, Labour got more votes than the Conservatives, their biggest ever share of the vote and the largest numerical vote for one party in a UK general election until the 1997 landslide.

I think his grandson probably got the last laugh only last year.

Peregrina

Where is Boris? Well, he is supposed to have been at death's door. The trouble is, he's the sort of man who lies so often, that no one knows what to believe.

So how many of the NHS consultants and nurses at St. Thomas’ are in on the conspiracy to admit him to ICU unnecessarily? Or do you think that they were fooled by Boris, because they’re too professionally incompetent to tell that he was faking the symptoms?

Or maybe you’re just taking nonsense.

It is entirely possible to have a balanced view of Churchill, to admire him as a war leader whilst rightly condemning him for Norway, the Dardenelles and the order to destroy the Bletchley Park computers because such things would never be needed again.

You can also admire his progessive social views, his support for a minimum wage and a United Europe, whilst recognising his racism and his hostility to trade unions as shown at Tonypandy and in the General Strike.

There was a lovely graffitti added to the poster for the film, Young Winston, which shows Churchill in pith helmet, mauser in hand, standing surrounded by dead dervishes, with added speech bubble, "Now for those bloody Welsh miners!"

@MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing

That's the fault of our voting system. In 1974, the opposite result occurred, Labour won the election when the Tories had a greater share of the vote.

In 1951, Labour got more votes than the Conservatives, their biggest ever share of the vote and the largest numerical vote for one party in a UK general election until the 1997 landslide.

Have I misunderstood what you mean by "largest numerical vote"? I was under the impression that in 1997 Labour actually gained fewer votes than the Tories did in 1992.

Those conspiracy theorists suggesting that Johnson didn't really have COVID-19 aren't doing themselves any favours. There's more than enough to criticise him about without suggesting that his illness was fake. He was stupid enough to shake the hands of COVID-19 patients so it came to no surprise that he caught it.

That was Feb 74 when Heath chose to call an early election and failed to gain a majority, and so he rightly had to resign.

Labour gained more votes in Oct 74 and a majority of 3.