To think this doctor really really hates mumsnet

[Ikeasucks]

Glad he’s got his priorities right in the middle of a pandemic. He’s really, really want to see mumsnet closed down and has a fair following - even been on telly

Ah.. he’s one of those men... the ones who don’t like MN because it gives the little lady ideas

My (abusive) ex hated MN. Many, many abusive men are the same...

"You would think a dairy company would know the difference between male and female."

I'd hope a bloody doctor does too

He does know the difference. But pretends not to. Which is probably worse than being deluded.

Harrop comes across as unwell. He's said before that his husband grounds him and I think he does sometimes need help with his mental health. I actually wish him all the best and that he recovers and finds stability and mental health and that benefits others that he's seeking to damage.

Human's can't biologically change sex, that's fact - there's a fine line between "but we're just saying the truth" and flat out saying males cannot be female though when trans women are legally recognised as women and have a right to live their lives as women.

There is a massive difference between society accepting males presenting any way they choose, coming out as transwomen, and ensuring that facilities are provided for transwomen so they're not in situations of having to use facilities where they don't have privacy, dignity, safety and recognition of that identity - and insisting that a male who chooses to live as a woman is in actual fact female, that female must be regarded as a group of limiting and rigid gender stereotypes as opposed to a biological reality, and must be treated as though something they in fact are not, in all situations. Regardless of the impact upon people born female.

Otherwise 'transphobia' comes to mean nothing more than refusing to prioritise the feelings of male people over the material reality, needs and oppression of females. Which is just good old bog standard misogyny.

No I'm not getting into the inevitable "so what IS a woman, is it fluffy pink things and dresses? crap

Meaning:
No, I’m not going to get into discussing the holes in my argument because I’m not, so there.

Wotcha you told us that TW have the ‘legal right to live their lives as women’ but won’t say what ‘woman’ means. Your version of woman can’t mean anything biological because you already told us men can’t become biological women.

So what does it mean? Right to have a woman’s name? Yep. Everyone, man or woman, has that right if they want it. Right to dress in women’s clothes? Again, everyone, man or woman already has that right. Right to think of yourself as a woman even though you are male? Sure. Knock yourself out as long as you don’t force anyone else to endorse your thinking.

None of these equate to ‘living as a woman’. I don’t think you understand what the legislation actually permits. Or how women ‘live as women’.

"And wanting to acknowledge people for who they are doesn't equal 'woman hating'."

Women are people with XX chromosone - acknowledge who we are
People with a Y chromosone are men

That's basic biology, not "trans-hating"

And how women ‘live as women’? It’s not something you can decide to do - even women can’t decide to do it. If a man wants to ‘live as a woman’ then he is doing something different to me.

"males cannot be female"

Again, that's stating biology, it's not transphobia

Of course a bloke has the right to live in some ways like a woman, but he's still a bloke

Hence he should not be allowed into womens spaces or sports, or given awards for women - because they have been reserved for women

I'd gladly support separate spaces and awards for those transwomen who don't feel safe or comfortable with other men
That way both women and transwomen have their rights respected.

I was interested to hear an interview with Grayson Perry the other day.
He was saying that when he was younger and would go to cross dressing (his words) events anyone dressed in jeans and a jumper was considered as having gone ‘full woman’.

My (abusive) ex hated MN. Many, many abusive men are the same...

Yes, can see that if your ex was abusive - what's that got to do with trans issues though?
I can see that many abusive men would hate MN, thinking about the relationships board for one - they'd no doubt hate the idea of you having outside support.
MN is a brilliant resource for that, and therefore needs to stay.
Helps and supports women who need advice/help in abusive situations.
It's a shame it's seen as transphobic as it's (usually) brilliant in other senses.

Dr Harrop isn’t trans. It’s pretty obvious what the point is. Some men hate women. Dr Harrop is one of them. Such men hate the idea of women talking. Which is why they hate MN. The ‘transphobia’ is just a way to berate women for talking without male chaperones. I’m embarrassed for him that it’s so transparent.

Ah good, you are back Wotcha. Are you able to answer my questions now?

“But males cannot be female WotchaTalkinBoutWillis. Are you saying they can? People with a GRC are legally recognised as women or men in SOME circumstances but not all.
How do any men 'live their lives as women' without resorting to stereotypes?”

Willis
It's a shame it's seen as transphobic as it's (usually) brilliant in other senses
Either back this assertion up or stop repeating it, you're really boring now. Every few pages, you post that Mumsnet is transphobic and never say why you believe that it is,

Mr Harrop is gay. He is a man.
He isn't a woman. And neither are all his male friends.

Hasn't an NHS doctor got more pressing matters to attend to during this global pandemic?

I know the thread has moved on now but this!

I agree with a PP who said he sounds quite unwell. What are his priorities at this time? Certainly not taking men to task, funny that.

It's not just the about of time he spends online but the amount of time his multiple personas spend online too. How does he get any work done?

“But males cannot be female WotchaTalkinBoutWillis. Are you saying they can?
I'm saying they're not biologically women, that doesn't mean they can't be legally recognised as women though.

I'm saying they can't be biological females.
Seriously, what's with the patronising tone just because I disagree on points?
Ah, you're back? What's that all about? I never left, I'm on the thread

One of the doctor’s mates - birds of a festher

Still didn’t answer my questions Wotcha, Why not?

Either back this assertion up or stop repeating it, you're really boring now. Every few pages, you post that Mumsnet is transphobic and never say why you believe that it is

Are you choosing to gloss over where I say in that comment and just highlight that bit - what about this bit you ignored - that I love MN and would hate to see it go under, that it's usually a great place for women to come for advice and support?

It is not women's fault if some flat earthers think that biology is transphobic now is it?

Quite.

This is a man who is campaigning for the closure of a women's site, because some of the women are focused on maintaining the definition of women as being female based and resisting it being identity based.

This is a man campaigning for men who say they are women, who is trying to shut down a site for women, because some of those women say the definition of women is not to be determined by men

How is this not about the control of women?

Willis
Where's the rampant transphobia you keep talking about? Give some examples. And don't give me that old "Well it's all been deleted " line. Because if all transphobic comments have been deleted then Mumsnet isn't transphobic.

You're the one that keeps saying that Mumsnet is transphobic. It doesn't matter if you think it's a great site.