To think some people need to get a grip!

[CurrentBun1981]

There are clearly those who are being far too nonchalant about the current situation, but tbh I'm probably encountering more of the slightly hysterical/OTT types right now.

For example, my friend has been frantically discussing on FB how best to sterilise her shopping and has implemented some ridiculously elaborate system of debagging shopping in the garage, putting the bags in the outside bin, wiping everything down with sanitising wipes, then walking back to put these in the bin too, before then leaving everything in quarantine for a couple days in the garage fridge. She's now worried about whether she's already brought the virus into the house on her shoes or her dog as she hadn't thought of that till she read it, and is discussing this on FB right now, trying to make another process involving outdoor footwear, indoor footwear, and 'transitional' footwear (presumably slippers from garage into house or something).

Her view is that she wants to go 110% in ensuring she doesn't catch it, which is fine. However, she doesn't do anything like this in any other areas of her life, which I suspect is the same thing for many others acting similarly.

For example, I've never seen her check the tyre pressure on her car and am 100% certain she doesn't do this weekly as is recommended. I'm pretty certain she doesn't know the legal tread depth and how to check it as she often needs new tyres at MOT stage (presumably illegally low on tread at this point).

What is it about this recent crisis that's invoking fear in the types of people who rarely use their car mirrors except to check their make up?

I'll concede that theoretically you could probably bring the virus into your house on your feet if you stepped in somebody's spit etc, but the likelihood has got to be tiny, and this is all ultimately to avoid catching a disease which will give the majority of victims 'mild' symptoms and is statistically extremely unlikely to kill her in the unlikely chance she catches it - I'm convinced the government might just let us crack on and catch it if it wasn't for the unmanageable strain on the NHS.

President Trump got it right. This virus is smart. And invisible. Smart and invisible.

Now it's my turn to judge:

If everyone looked after there bodies the percentage of people getting seriously ill would be much lower and so the protective measures would likely be less sever.

The spelling and punctuation in this paragraph alone makes me snort with laughter that I've been engaging in any sort of sparring match.

You keep judging people's apparent "health" by their weight, and I'll keep judging people's apparent intelligence by what they write.

I think your friend is being sensible, i wash down all shopping which enters my house. I am a nurse (on maternity leave), my friends/colleagues in various hospitals are dealing with ventilated patients mostly 30-90 age groups, a lot with no underlying health conditions. I will protect myself and family any way i can

@cloudspotter

Oh my god, my writing isn't perfect while I type on a phone using predictive text and don't bother to proof read. I must be so stupid, doh doh doh. Get a life. People that pick up on spelling and punctuation on online forums are bores and pedants who have nothing more interesting to say.

cloudspotter that was uncalled for.
I haven’t seen the whole post or if it specifically judged weight.

But I do agree with the actual quote you copied although it might be a little bit out of context. It’s true. If people looked after their bodies as in ‘health’ then of course there’d be less illnesses.
Lots if slim people have illnesses because they didn’t look after themselves. It’s not only about the weight.
If anything good is to come out of all this , it would be for people to consume a healthier diet (it doesn’t have to be fancy, just healthy) and to improve their fitness levels.
Yes 10% of cases had no underlying health issues but 99% did - as per today’s Times. But being healthy is undisputedly better.

Do we really pick on spelling here? Seriously?? The text was easy enough to understand. My own posts are littered with mistakes through a combination of typing on the phone, typing too fast and not using predictive text (because I send regular messages in 4 different languages which I speak fluently and can spell properly but it would make things worse for me).

There are many people on here who aren't at all concerned about getting it because they are very fit, healthy and find their personal risks negligible. Many seem to be finding staying at home understandably difficult.

Does anyone know what volunteers are needed for? Nightingale hospitals? Food shopping? Seems like those who are very confident they won't experience severe illness could be useful in lots of areas and it would get them out of the house.

and I'll keep judging people's apparent intelligence by what they write

If you’re seriously thinking you can judge people’s intelligence by what they write on a forum with no edit button and the potential for typing errors, autocorrect etc I don’t think your intelligence can be all that 🤷‍♀️

What is it about this recent crisis that's invoking fear in the types of people who rarely use their car mirrors except to check their make up?

This person is your friend, you say?

Nice

Really REALLY glad I'm not your friend

There seems to be a smugness creeping in to how healthy and slim people are. This worries me greatly.
Firstly, a large number of health issues are bad luck or bad genes. Some poor health choices are so interlinked with other issues like socio-economic group, mental health.

We are not all dealt the same dice in life.

My choices were made by my parents in my early life. I’ve carried on with those largely (sensible) choices. Didn’t stop both of my parents ending up in the vulnerable group. Seriously impaired organ function for one (long story - and took doctors months to work out exactly what- due to her relatively young age -50s and, non-smoking, non-obese, non-drinking lifestyle). Just bad luck and a crappy roll of the dice.

So far I’ve been lucky. A good roll of the dice. Born into a family who had the money, the good mental health and education to make good choices, grew up in a non-urban area. I am not smug and I don’t judge those who’ve made crap choices and what some of the most judgmental call “self-inflicted” illness.
I ski. I would expect the NHS to look after me if I injured myself. That is self-inflicted. I drive. If I had a car accident -and was at fault - I would still expect the NHS to look after me. Self-inflicted injury happens all the time. Our society doesn’t treat those people any differently.
Also, we are social-distancing as a society because we act “as a society” to look after others in our society all the time.
I pay tax for education (even if I don’t have children). I tax pay for libraries even though I don’t use them. I pay tax for nursing homes even though I don’t need one. I pay for and support the welfare state because it’s part of a civilised society that doesn’t make decisions based on people’s guilt over their own state of health!!!

Yes you will have to stay at home. It’s about protecting other members of our society. Some made crappy choices. Some got crappy dice. I don’t care!!!

You can throw your toys out of the pram as much as you like because you’re young, slim and healthy and it’s not your fault other people are fat and old. You still have to do it because you are a civilised human being.

There seems to be a smugness creeping in to how healthy and slim people are.

There’s always been that on here.

*Tbh I do feel a little annoyed that I am having to go into lock down and will have to live in a country in massive economic downturn to protect a large proportion of people with self inflicted bad health.

If everyone looked after there bodies the percentage of people getting seriously ill would be much lower and so the protective measures would likely be less sever.*

What about other countries then who are also locking down?

This person is your friend, you say?

Nice

Really REALLY glad I'm not your friend

Dangerous driving is dangerous driving. You'd be singing a different tune if she killed one of your children.

You’re wrong anyway @Pulpfiction1. The reason we have to lockdown is because Coronavirus is really infectious and therefore likely to infect 80% of us if left unchecked, including the fit and healthy people as no one has any immunity, and if 20% of the Infected population are seriously ill and need hospitalisation that’s a lot of people and would overwhelm the NHS. Even if 1% of them die it’s over 100000 people. And it’s a fair bet a number of them will be slim, healthy, fit people like you.

There would be correlation to healthy weight abd the health if a person with a healthy weight. But it doesn’t mean slim people are all healthy and by implication not at risk.
It depends how good the lungs are as well. If a slim otherwise healthy person has gad pneumonia 20 years ago, I’d say they are at risk. They might have un undiagnosed congenital health problem.
We don’t know what happens when a healthy person rides out the virus and how damaged their lungs will become because of this particular infection.
We don’t know shit. So why shouldn’t people take all necessary precautions they can practically take to protect themselves, their family and society? It takes hardly any time to implement basic measures and it doesn’t require a plethora of cleaning products at all and it doesn’t impact the functioning of family life. Each to their own.

Dangerous driving is dangerous driving. You'd be singing a different tune if she killed one of your children.

You're right

I'm still very very glad you're not my friend

And I’ll continue to take precautions even though, statistically (as it stands today) we are low risk. The information I read an get from people I trust from all over the world is about minimising risk. One way to minimise risk in this instance is about decontaminating certain items. It’s not rocket science and doesn’t require special training.

When I've got back from shopping I haven't wiped it down, changed clothes, showered, cleaned shoes, the most I've done is wash my hands and have so far not got it. I'm pregnant so I'm the high risk group but I think that's because they don't have much evidence on it so better safe than sorry.
My friend has ocd symptoms and performs rituals and something that is adding to her 'anxiety' is not being able to walk in the shop and grab cleaning products and go home immediately, instead she is having to queue and plan when she goes.
I don't have those personality traits so am never going to really understand the hysteria

But the point is it doesn’t have to be a convoluted ritualistic process. Easy steps can be incorporated within a normal functioning life. Most people don’t have OCD, don’t have anxiety, don’t suffer with mental health issues, are not in the vulnerable category, don’t gave underlying health conditions, don’t have unlimited available time and they still have to work/look after children. It’s about small adjustments that help and don’t cause harm based on personal knowledge and available information.

@CurrentBun1981