Why are teachers not teaching live lessons online

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This is not a teacher bashing thread.

Talking online with another mum in my son’s class today, both ourDCs are in p1 (Scotland). She is outraged that teachers next term will be posting work online rather than actually teaching using Zoom etc. Her argument is that universities are doing it so why aren’t teachers? And how is she supposed to work from home and educate her children?

Personally I don’t think teaching a bunch of 5 year olds a live lesson using Zoom is going to be all that effective and would probably require quite a lot of supervision anyway. AIBU to think that tasks posted online are quite sufficient given the circumstances? So as not to drip feed, I am also working from home with 2DCs.

What is this mythical "real world"

I used that phrase because "colleagues pitted against colleagues" is a bit over dramatic.

Are you well?

Yes thank you. I did chuckle a little though - the Guardian copied my idea from yesterday!

Clavinova

I used that phrase because "colleagues pitted against colleagues" is a bit over dramatic.

Are you saying that teachers are now responsible for what and how journalists write artciles?

Ah Clav bit that is the bit posted by the academy trust. I know someone who works for this academy and has been lucky enough to retain a position. It has been horrific. Congrats to you for beating a colleague.

This 'real world' you talk about on your posts often is probably never more real than when dealing with children and parents. I do find your absolute refusal to
Listen to people who teach funny though - on all the threads you post. It's entertaining!

I was quite late to this thread
What's your point?
I'm making the observation that you routinely turn up telling teachers they are wrong, that you know more about teaching than they do, that you know more about key areas of state education (eg pupil premium) and so on.

I don't really understand why anyone would be so bothered about another profession that they would spend their free time going out of their way to argue with those in the job.

I'm making the observation that you routinely turn up telling teachers they are wrong

I thought you turned up on this thread with a dig at me.

In 10 years time I expect all teachers will be expected to deliver some sort of live stream or pre-recorded lesson if necessary. South Korea here;

www.forbes.com/sites/steveprice/2020/04/10/teachers-grapple-with-online-classes-as-south-korea-goes-back-to-school/

I know someone who works for this academy and has been lucky enough to retain a position. It has been horrific.

Quite a few of my friends and neighbours are probably finding their job situation pretty horrific at the moment.

Clavinova

In 10 years time I expect all teachers will be expected to deliver some sort of live stream or pre-recorded lesson if necessary.

Why would they need to?

Why would they need to?

In preparation for another pandemic, if they want to move to the private sector or earn extra cash tutoring. Before my dcs' school closed several pupils were self-isolating - they were able to join in the lessons from home.

Clavinova

That is a sensible answer, but it would be through a secure network, presumably with some way of telling and sanctioning pupils for misusing the system.

Clav I understand that but this is about teachers, in The Staffroom and the specific academy was mentioned. It does not mean I am not aware of the situation and impact at all.

Apologies - not in The Staffroom

I lecture part time. My employer initially suggested I do 7 hours online teaching as per my usual timetable (that's in a single day not a week). I had to point out that with 3 kids to take care of as a lone parent, including a preschooler that just wasn't possible. We have renegotiated a workable solution now.

I thought you turned up on this thread with a dig at me.
No, I've been on the thread a while.

I just happened to notice that yet again you're doing the same thing as on countless other threads of making assertions, being corrected by people in the profession, then copying and pasting random things you're searching for online that don't make any point, more inaccuracies and assertions.

The pupil premium is a case in point:
Posters comment on strategic concerns about online learning and disadvantaged students
You start talking about a school that has provided laptops for a couple of students, when people suggested it could have been a PP arrangement decided they couldn't be PP because they have a modern kitchen and mum has her hair cut nicely, only to then claim you know lots about Pupil Premium (despite your posts repeatedly showing almost no knowledge of it).

It's ridiculous, unhelpful and is purely to be inflammatory.

Clav I notice you haven't responded to my points re providing laptops for students or where staff are supposed to get video recording equipment from if phones aren't good enough quality.

Hercwasonaroll
Whilst I don't think it was a reply to you, if I remember correctly from earlier in the thread it was argued that schools could fund it from all the savings they have by being essentially closed at the moment, the cancellation of exams and no invigilators, not having to run the school minibus, or the PTA could fund it.

Whilst I don't think it was a reply to you, if I remember correctly from earlier in the thread it was argued that schools could fund it from all the savings they have by being essentially closed at the moment, the cancellation of exams and no invigilators, not having to run the school minibus, or the PTA could fund it.

Unless there has been another announcement exam boards were being rather dismissive of refunds. Not all schools will have paid and may refuse to do so now- am not sure how their students will get grades though

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.tes.com/news/coronavirus-exam-fee-refunds-schools-unlikely%3famp

Tw1nset It's a bit of a mess really.
That's why it is so important for everyone to acknowledge that this is new territory and no easy solutions before sticking the boot in.

Most schools costs between 80-90% are staff costs. Doesn’t leave a lot spare

LolaSmiles
I've just looked over the thread from yesterday afternoon - you popped in to have a dig at me.

Hercwasonaroll
Clav I notice you haven't responded to my points re providing laptops for students or where staff are supposed to get video recording equipment from if phones aren't good enough quality.

What do you want me to say? The Academy Trust and the school I linked to managed to sort something out for students and staff, another school was featured by the BBC. Do you want me to link to 20 more schools providing laptops to pupils as well? Easily done.

My dh has borrowed some tech from his office to work from home.

Schools in Glasgow are in the process of rolling out 54,000 Apple iPads to teachers and pupils (a 2 year pre-coronavirus project).The biggest Apple project of its kind in Europe.They chose to allocate their budgets that way. (Yes, I know schools in Scotland are funded differently.)

What about the WiFi? Or the parents who will sell the laptop? You really have no idea. It's not as simple as send home a laptop. And it's not that easily done.

20 schools is a tiny amount out of all the schools in the country.

How about you acknowledge that schools are all different, with different needs, different budgets and no one solution will suit them all.

Hasn't that Glasgow project not gone particularly smoothly?
www.google.com/amp/s/www.tes.com/news/glasgows-mass-ipad-rollout-we-will-not-apologise%3famp

£300 million for 54'000 ipads seems one hell of a rip off.

That's OK, Clavinova can source them for £50 each.

There are many schools that decided iPads per pupil were the way forward who have quietly binned it. It was a major fad about 2010.

Edtech often fails to meet fairly low expectations. It’s a massive scam and one that teachers are well aware of but politicians keep falling for.

Safeguarding , lack of equipment at their home, teaching classes in school for key workers, covering for other staff that are Ill. Looking after their own children at home. A whole multitude of reasons