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Why are teachers not teaching live lessons online

914 replies

Shouldistayorshouldimove · 10/04/2020 20:25

This is not a teacher bashing thread.

Talking online with another mum in my son’s class today, both ourDCs are in p1 (Scotland). She is outraged that teachers next term will be posting work online rather than actually teaching using Zoom etc. Her argument is that universities are doing it so why aren’t teachers? And how is she supposed to work from home and educate her children?

Personally I don’t think teaching a bunch of 5 year olds a live lesson using Zoom is going to be all that effective and would probably require quite a lot of supervision anyway. AIBU to think that tasks posted online are quite sufficient given the circumstances? So as not to drip feed, I am also working from home with 2DCs.

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noblegiraffe · 12/04/2020 13:29

Some schools have suspended the curriculum, ineed, some haven’t.

There is literally no consistency anywhere in schools at the moment.

Clavinova · 12/04/2020 13:37

Interesting article here (24th March):

Lesson streaming and reduced marking–a coronavirus response.

"The streaming of lessons for key stage 2 and a much-reduced approach to marking have been two elements of the Warrington Primary Academy Trust’s approaches to supporting home education."

"Warrington Primary Academy Trust–a multi-academy trust of six primary schools in Warrington and Widnes–has quickly developed an online learning approach to ensure that its children can continue their learning during the coronavirus crisis."

"We have gone with an IT solution in all of our six schools.We reviewed our infrastructure, what IT equipment individual families had and decided that as we have a Microsoft platform we would use Microsoft Office Teams for a “virtual school” approach."

"The schools all carried out an audit of what IT equipment and broadband links parents and carers had at home and we then allocated children who needed them laptops and iPads with wi-fi dongles if required."

"The main focus will be key stage 2 children for the moment.All key stage 2 children will have access to live streamed lessons, starting with a one-hour maths and a one-hour English session each morning, with a 30-minute break in between."

"Headteachers have already done model lessons. It will be very different from a classroom lesson. We can’t expect staff to talk for a whole hour at a time. With live streaming we can give the children a chance to feed back."

"A trial run through of the streaming approach was done with children at WPAT schools on Friday, March 20, before all schools were officially closed for the vast majority of children later that day. There has been anxiety from some staff but we are all feeling really excited by it."

"The focus of the live streamed lessons will be on the interactive whiteboard with the teacher audible but out of shot. Key lesson topics will be scaffolded on the whiteboard and children will explore their learning further through worksheets and homework which have been available on their school website."

"All 350 teaching staff across the trust had a training session last week with an external provider to bring them up-to-speed with the platform and the approach to lessons."

"Staff are delivering the lessons from home if they are well and able, or at school alongside their caring and teaching responsibilities for the children of some key workers and vulnerable children. All staff have had their home equipment audited and provided with additional equipment such as webcams and microphones if they needed them."

"Meanwhile, key stage 1 teachers have also received training on Microsoft Teams and there are plans to expand online learning to include short phonics sessions for their pupils."

"We are doing something really new here in very difficult circumstances at very short notice so we will be working together to make it happen."

"We may be closed for three months, perhaps longer because we do not know what we are dealing with here. We cannot lose learning for three months, so we have to try a different approach."

"We think if we get this right this is going to change how we are going to teach in the future. If we get this right in terms of online streaming what’s to say that if children can’t come into school in the future that they can’t simply log on to get the basics?"

"Our engagement with parents could be transformed as well. Some of our parents are in very deprived areas.They will have high quality teaching in their homes, and they will understand that and see that."

"We have also opted for a low marking solution for teachers to reduce workload. We will not be attempting to mark everything and will do simple marking, selecting the work of one or two pupils and giving feedback, talking about common mistakes and getting the children to mark their own work in the light of these examples."

"The WPAT team will also be trying to recreate other aspects of school life online; for example, there are plans to deliver a school assembly through Microsoft Teams."

www.headteacher-update.com/best-practice-article/coronavirus-covid-19-home-education-warrington-primary-academy-trust/225485/

ineedaholidaynow · 12/04/2020 14:06

Thank you @noblegiraffe, I was worried that I had missed a new regulation. It is so hard when there is no consistency.

Also in respect of safeguarding and GDPR can I ask some questions too?

One of my fears from a safeguarding point of view on having live online lessons is that a teacher will be able to view a child at home through technology and I thought that was a big no from a safeguarding point of view. I know new guidelines have been put in place so some things have been relaxed but I assume this is still a huge safeguarding risk. Do you have to ensure an adult is in the vicinity when teaching live to pupils?

Also if the lessons are being recorded (which I totally get) aren't there issues with GDPR if that is being done on the teacher's own laptop etc? Also what gets recorded, is it just what the teacher is doing, or does it record what is actually on the screen, so you can see the images of the children? Does this have huge implications if a child is improperly dressed or flashes their bits (as some examples of this have been given on this thread)?

Do other countries have similar safeguarding etc guidelines to us, as they seem to be coping with live online teaching (apart from when it goes horribly wrong with Zoom)?

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 12/04/2020 14:15

Clavinova

How much do you think that cost? To provide computers and internet access to pupils, plus all necessary IT equipment to staff?

Who is going to pay for that and source it for all schools? Who will be paying to replace broken or damaged equipment when the children misuse it?

Purpletigers · 12/04/2020 14:20

They don’t want to ?

whattodo2019 · 12/04/2020 14:23

Safeguarding is a huge issue around online teaching. Lots of families may not have access to computers. Where I live, our broadband is so poor we were struggling with the live lessons.

Wannakisstheteacher · 12/04/2020 14:27

The way I see it currently is that DS's teacher sets 4 tasks a day on Mathletics and tells him to write out his common exception words and read his book. She's getting paid for a full day for doing this?! And no, she isn't working in the school still. Basically I'm now doing her job and she's getting paid for it. She's doing no teaching at all. I'm doing it all. I'm explaining the tasks on Mathletics, I'm helping him write the words, I'm helping him read the book. She is contributing maybe 20 minutes a day in sending us one message a day on DB primary to remind us to complete everything. Personally I do think this situation has worked out really, really well for most teachers.

fascinated · 12/04/2020 14:29

Just to derail a little bit... When I was a lass many moons ago everyone in the whole country worked through the same textbook (Scotland, 80s). I’m a bit confused about why kids nowadays don’t seem to use textbooks? It seems that the things kids do vary really widely from school to school. Forgive me if I am missing something but isn’t it really time consuming / reinventing the wheel for the teachers to have to print out and glue in the worksheets unto the kids’ jotters every day?

FrippEnos · 12/04/2020 14:41

Wannakisstheteacher

RTFT, Read any of the many other threads that explain what teachers are doing.

Pieceofpurplesky · 12/04/2020 14:47

The school I work in cannot even afford a set text for each pupil to take home (classes share) let alone sort our computers and wifi. As for the Warrington academy Trust - maybe they are paying for this from the 'restructuring' their staff have had to go through which has seen colleagues pitted against colleagues to save their own jobs. I wouldn't use them as an example of all things brilliant.

www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/news/18350773.warrington-primary-academy-trust-criticised-staff-restructure/

Piggywaspushed · 12/04/2020 14:49

Wow, that's an ironic user name!

Piggywaspushed · 12/04/2020 14:51

Re the textbooks, that is part of the reason why some European countries are a bit perplexed that Lockdown is causing education difficulties. They have standardised curriculums nationwide and government approved textbooks. None of this Skyping required !

Piggywaspushed · 12/04/2020 14:51

They also have high levels of funding and no school inspectorate...

Clavinova · 12/04/2020 14:58

School in Dorset here - ITV 16th March:

"Virtual lessons will be on the timetable at a Dorset school if it's closed through Coronavirus."

"The Prince of Wales School in Dorchester is giving children laptops so they can continue classes from home in the event of a shutdown."

"They will link up through video conferencing software to ensure children keep up with their education, should the Government say that schools must close because of the virus."

"So far six pupils have been in self-isolation, although there have been no confirmed cases of Coronavirus in the school."

"We'll provide access to hardware resources that would otherwise be locked down inside the school building.This will include sending home school owned Tablet and Chromebook Computers to those families who need our support."

"I am very confident we can deliver universal access with the resources we have available and ensure no child is left behind.Our aim is to ensure that no learning time is lost and all children continue to make excellent progress."

www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2020-03-16/coronavirus-virtual-lessons-to-be-introduced-at-dorset-school-if-it-closes/

ineedaholidaynow · 12/04/2020 14:59

The schools I am a governor for had no budget for books this year. They used to use a library service which provided topic books. Once the funding for the library service went so did the topic books!

With all the free online resources schools have been given during this crisis from various organisations, we actually have access to more books that we have ever had.

lazylinguist · 12/04/2020 15:00

fascinated - textbooks are expensive, don't differentiate easily for different abilities, get damaged and also get old and dated pretty quickly for some subjects. Plus they can make for lazy, boring lessons. They make life easier for teachers, but tbh that's not very high on anyone's priority list.

Teachers don't just print out worksheets and stick them in kids' books. I've never stuck a sheet in a kid's book (they can do that themselves, assuming the school can afford glue and endless photocopying). Most lessons are taught using interactive whiteboards. Homework is sometimes sheets, but lots is now set online.

noblegiraffe · 12/04/2020 15:02

Clav you’re posting these stories as if they make any difference?

Everyone knows some schools have chosen to do virtual lessons. Everyone also knows that there are safeguarding concerns.

That some schools are doing it doesn’t make it the correct decision.

Tw1nset · 12/04/2020 15:03

I’m a bit confused about why kids nowadays don’t seem to use textbooks?

We use textbooks, yes they cost money but so does the time of teachers. Our KS3 students are mostly working from textbooks, you can copy a % of a book without infringing copyright and many books have been made freely available online - some companies are also giving away actual textbooks if you bought them previously.

Using textbooks and resources made by subject associations frees us up to deliver video lessons to exam classes.

GuyFawkesDay · 12/04/2020 15:03

@Wannakisstheteacher but teaching is so easy!

I mean, who is going to check all the work (175 pieces a week for me)

Or work out the GCSE and a level grades

Or write the new schemes of learning we are going to need now we've lost all this time

Or try to rearrange the 3 residentials we had booked in (more complex than one realises)

Or totally rewrite all the content to make it accessible without me actually teaching it.

It's just so easy Hmm

LolaSmiles · 12/04/2020 15:04

fascinated Textbooks went years ago when someone on high decided that they meant passive learning and weren't entertaining enough.

There's very little consistency between schools, especially at KS3, to be honest.

Clavi you're doing that predictable thing again of spending time googling to find things to copy and paste into threads that come down to "here's something i found online so all of you who work in schools saying things are complex must be wrong".

Honestly, I've never felt compelled to spend so much time trying to piss on other people's jobs and tell them how to do their jobs the way you do with teaching and state education.

Clavinova · 12/04/2020 15:04

Pieceofpurplesky
The article is a bit misleading - further down it says;

"We asked the staff affected by this restructure if they wanted the process to be delayed in its final stages because of the coronavirus crisis."^

"colleagues pitted against colleagues"

I had to go through that in the real world 20 years ago - and yes, I did get the job.

Tw1nset · 12/04/2020 15:07

Before schools closed we put together a list of students with no computer access. We are sourcing laptops for those students - I don't know how - above my paygrade - and supplying those students with laptops. These might be old staff laptops that we no longer use and donations.

GuyFawkesDay · 12/04/2020 15:09

What is this mythical "real world"

Do teachers live somewhere else?

Because I too have worked outside education. Its no mutually exclusive you know

Clavinova · 12/04/2020 15:10

Honestly, I've never felt compelled to spend so much time trying to piss on other people's jobs and tell them how to do their jobs the way you do with teaching and state education.

I was quite late to this thread - I haven't even posted on the summer holiday thread running today...

noblegiraffe · 12/04/2020 15:12

I haven't even posted on the summer holiday thread

Are you well?