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To be really disappointed in Neils Yard?

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Reginabambina · 10/04/2020 12:09

I’m not under any illusions that Neil’s Yard products are amazing but they’re nice and have a shop local to me so I get stuff there occasionally and have found some nice products over the years. Today a post came up on a community page on fb reminding us to ‘support local business’ from someone claiming to be a Neil’s Yard ‘consultant’. A quick look on their website reveals that they operate as an MLM on the side. I feel really disappointed, I thought this was a legitimate business and have been buying their products for years (and more embarrassingly giving them as gifts). Is it a total overreaction to never use them again?

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ItsGoingTibiaK · 10/04/2020 16:51

There’s a secret to understanding homeopathy. You take a tiny bit of science knowledge, then you dilute it and dilute it and dilute it until no more of that knowledge remains. Congratulations - you’re now a homeopathic therapist.

goldfinchfan · 10/04/2020 16:59

donquixote

have used it? have you seen a real homeopath, not a shop, have you studied it?

I worked and studied a long time ago before people dismissed it it out of hand.
And I have had many positive experiences for myself and others.

So when someone just calls it names without any experience I find that offensive.

I have been harmed by Mainstream meds.......they are often toxic and it is luck if you are helped more than harmed.
I am talking meds...not surgery

SarahAndQuack · 10/04/2020 17:13

Is real homeopath just a very, very, very wet doctor?

knittingaddict · 10/04/2020 17:42

I really don't get all this hate for MLMs on MN. I wouldn't do it myself but what's wrong with others earning money this way? I don't want to be goady but I'm genuinely curious why everyone hates them so much.

Thurmanmurman This might be of interest. It's a podcast about the horrors of MLM schemes. It might help.

knittingaddict · 10/04/2020 17:45

Oh and I'm going out on a limb and declare that homeopathy is complete garbage.

ginghamstarfish · 10/04/2020 17:55

It's fairly well known, but I don't think they're comparable to the other MLMs really. There's no pressure, and you can order just for yourself if you want. I did it a few years ago, you pay for the starter kit which was worth much more than what I paid, then I ordered every month or two for me and a friend. It's lovely stuff, expensive, even with the 25% off, but as I said there's no pressure. I was chucked out eventually for not spending enough, but wasn't bothered. Have thought about doing it again, just for myself.

donquixotedelamancha · 10/04/2020 21:05

have used it? have you seen a real homeopath, not a shop, have you studied it? I worked and studied a long time ago before people dismissed it it out of hand. And I have had many positive experiences for myself and others.

What does it matter what my reply is to those things? I could say anything. Lets say someone claims that they have used homeopathy and the magic water really works- how do you know they are not lying or deluded or gulible or mistaken?

That's why we don't assess medicines like that. We use double blind trials to be certain that there can be no bias or error and we have them peer reviewed to check the methodology.

That is easy to do for homeopathy, indeed it's been done. Just link me to a few of these studies showing strong data and I will change my mind- because that's how Science works, from evidence rather than one persons experience.

It's not name calling to refer to homeopaths as shysters who prey on the vulnerable, it's simply a statement of established fact. If I were mistaken about that it would be easy to demonstrate my error.

Lynda07 · 10/04/2020 23:00

SarahAndQuack Fri 10-Apr-20 17:13:06
Is real homeopath just a very, very, very wet doctor?
........
No, you're thinking of a patheohom.

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Reginabambina · 11/04/2020 05:57

@MiggyMoggyMoo that’s really horrible. I don’t understand why people think it’s ok to be like that about breastfeeding.

I’m surprised by the homeopathic element, I thought I was just skincare/nice smellies and some oils/tea thrown in. I kind of wish I’d not clocked on the fb woman’s link now.

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ppeatfruit · 11/04/2020 08:16

goldfinch You can't win you know, Sad there is so much negativity on line and everywhere else (strange when I know it works for me and my family) about Homeopathy. I think that the Big Pharma PR machine might be behind it.

They hate the idea that there might be ALTERNATIVES to killing tens of thousands of animals in their wonderful testing .Oh btw they have been known to MAKE UP the results of their tests .

I wonder why some of the people who are suffering terribly on mainstream meds. have to BE TAKEN OFF them to get better.

BelleSausage · 11/04/2020 08:18

They were sold to private equity about ten years ago. The original founder took her money and buggered off to Devon to run an organic farm.

I think a lot if the original company ethos went with her.

countrygirl99 · 11/04/2020 08:31

What I love about homeopathy is that apparently the water can remember the arnica/nux vom or whatever but not the sewage and other pollution it will have encountered. The reason it "works" on animals is the placebo effect on the owner.

CaraConcerned · 11/04/2020 08:37

Exactly, countrygirl, but you have to remember it's the concentration that's the smallest that's most effective. So likely there's more poo and hormones from the pill, even probably more of Prince Charles's wee in there, than any stated ingredient, but that's ok!

If you mixed up the labels on two separate homeopathic remedies, there would be no possible way known to mankind of telling the difference. Iirc even homeopaths admit that.

missyB1 · 11/04/2020 08:45

Their products don’t even live up to the hype. Over priced and almost certainly disappointing is how I think of Neil’s Yard.

ppeatfruit · 11/04/2020 08:55

Well I thought that everyone is supposed to enjoy their tap water. No one should be drinking filtered or bottled water according to the telly programmes.

Just because it happens to be mysterious and I agree it is hard to understand homeopathy . I just know it works. There's no reason to completely trash it. It saves the NHS money by being private. it's good to have the option to use it or not it's a CHOICE.

No one is forcing it down your throats like they do all the liver damaging pain killers that are peddled to babies and children by the adverts. So let people who like it alone.

Rebelwithallthecause · 11/04/2020 08:57

Please could someone clear up for me about the Arnica?

My midwife suggested I get some for the healing after birth.

Should I not bother if it is just water?

knittingaddict · 11/04/2020 09:01

Arnica isn't just water. I think you're maybe getting confused between homeopathy (a scam) and herbal (some do have useful properties). I've never used arnica myself, but it's an old remedy and may work.

knittingaddict · 11/04/2020 09:06

Ah, I've just seen that some/all? arnica creams are homeopathic with teeny tiny amounts of arnica. Probably bollocks then. I wouldn't bother if it's a homeopathic version.

ppeatfruit · 11/04/2020 09:06

Try it Rebel As long as there is no bleeding involved, hyperical and or calendula is better for that.

ppeatfruit · 11/04/2020 09:08

knitting It's nice to have an open mind isn't it Grin

knittingaddict · 11/04/2020 09:09

Sorry should add that even in small amounts it can be an irritant apparently. Honestly I would find something that actually works with proven studies and that won't raise your blood pressure or heart rate.

CaraConcerned · 11/04/2020 09:12

ppeatfruit what would happen if you took a remedy that had the wrong label on, so a remedy for a headache when you had earache? Would it work just as effectively? To reiterate, there is no physical difference between the two, just the unmeasurable "memory" of the "ingredient".

knittingaddict · 11/04/2020 09:14

It's got nothing to do with having a closed mind. It's to do with having the ability to read, some base level of common sense and having nothing to do with woo.

You'll be wasting your breathe trying to convince me that homeopathy is anything but, at best useless and at worst harmful

ppeatfruit · 11/04/2020 09:16

It is supposed to work with the energy in our bodies so that it only heals the problem.

I buy the ones that are dairy free, a lot of the Nelson's ones are made with dairy.

donquixotedelamancha · 11/04/2020 09:17

They hate the idea that there might be ALTERNATIVES to killing tens of thousands of animals in their wonderful testing

It's not hate to ask for evidence. Unless we test drugs anyone can claim anything.

I just know it works.

It would be easy to prove this. Since no one has linked to any peer reviewed double blind trials I am happy to run one if you will pay the costs.

Pick a common condition you are certain can be cured and it should be only a few grand. When your cure works I will cheerfully refund that money from my own pocket; the Nobel prize we stand to win is about a million quid and you get the satisfaction of proving everyone wrong.

After that it should be trivial to cure Covid 19. A bit of snot from a confined case and a lot of diluting and slapping and you will be a hero.