If you had a second home, have you or would you go to it ?

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@SachaStark I think Treliske is pretty much at full capacity all the time, especially over the summer. From what I've heard, there are plenty still trying to get in to Cornwall for this weekend too.

If I was lucky enough to have a second home, it would be rural as we live in the city. So before lockdown, I would have done a check on supplies and restocked fully for a number of weeks - it would normally have a fair stock of non-perishables for late arrivals and short notice trips. And also check that I had sorted WiFi so I could wfh and dd could still do school.

Then, when it looked like it was imminent, do a proper shop for more perishable items, bring everything we would need to be self-sufficient, and go. And then self isolate there.

More space in he house, better walks and outdoor space, and we'd have board games etc there anyway so things to do once work was done.

But it would be on the basis Of being self sufficient and not putting pressure on supply chains or health services there. As we had already been following the social distancing at home before going. (As we did before lockdown happened anyway).

how is it suddenly wrong to move to a city for work? because some of us are born and bred Londoners, priced out of our city by “non locals”. Separate to Covid we have many supply and demand issues but the general Consensus Always seems to be londonders bad!

Out of county patients could be transferees from overwhelmed hospitals in more affected areas. In Germany they were taking patients from out of country - from France. If Cornwall was unable to cope it would get a temporary nightingale hospital, just like anywhere else at capacity or expected to be. Hopefully Cornwall will remain one of the least affected areas. It's good to think somewhere has escaped relatively unscathed. Good news is much needed in these times.

I don’t have a second home, but I don’t honestly understand the rage against people going to their second homes. There’s no evidence that hospitals in eg Devon and Cornwall are collapsing, and when a lot of these people would have left, the London hospitals were actually in meltdown. There are very few cases in eg Devon, and once second home owners are down there, they aren’t at any more risk of passing it on than they would be in London, plus quite obviously, it’s easier to avoid getting it/passing it on on a daily walk in the middle of nowhere.

We feel rage towards them,

1. because we don’t like them at the best of times, regardless,

2. because they are increasing the population in Cornwall at a time when resources and healthcare facilities are in danger of falling short for the local population.

Why should we like second homeowners? They add nothing to the county, yet take vast amounts from it.

In Ireland they've had police on all the main routes to popular holiday destinations since yesterday checking cars and turning people back.
Some people thought they were being very clever by driving down on Mon or Tues. But the Govt made an announcement that anyone who's already travelled to their holiday home for Easter now has to stay there until restrictions are lifted.
I imagine a lot of people who only packed enough clothes and toiletries for a few days and didn't bother to bring work stuff down with them are in a dilemma.
No sympathy for them.

Where did I say I moved to London @OnlyFoolnMothers? Other cities are available.

I don't have a second home and live rurally so doesn't apply to me, but I had 2 homes (one being in a city) then I would definitely move

But would have done so before lockdown began

Sacha I'm glad city dwellers didn't say the same about refugees using under pressure resources in the cities. It's a slippery slope what you're saying. One of the reasons rural places are sparsely populated is the insular (and often racist) attitude from locals like Sacha, who represent I hope a minority.

I do, and my DH went up there just before lockdown was announced. He went to check everything was secure and brought home all the spare ‘stuff’ that we had there - calpol, paracetamol, toilet rolls, cleaning products and tin/packet food. He didn’t even stay the night - because it was the same evening that Boris told us to stop going out - he just drove straight back home. We miss it, but absolutely wont return until restrictions are lifted. Not sure what the point would be anyway, beyond a change of scene. We wouldn’t be able to do anything we normally do while there.

@turquoisedoor

No I haven't gone to mine. To be honest, it is tiny and I’ve got all my stash here.

Why would anyone break the lockdown rules ? As Boris shows clearly what can happen through stupidity & breaking the rules

Where did I say I moved to London correction you didn’t, sorry. There is though a lot of disdain for Londoners on all these threads. We bring the virus, we raise property prices. Believe it or not I’m not trying to move out rurally and i for one am sick of those from elsewhere in the country migrating to London.

@turquoisedoor according to my DB who lives in the north of the county, people are still getting through and boasting on FB about it.

There's a big difference between moving to a city even last year before we knew of the virus for economic or relationship reasons and going to a rural area with inadequate healthcare during a pandemic just to protect yourself. Can't you see the difference?

FWIW I think the second homers who went to rural areas before lockdown are just as selfish as those who went after.

They add nothing to the county, yet take vast amounts from it

Where we are, we welcome second home owners. They buy their homes FROM LOCAL PEOPLE for way more than anyone in the local area wants to pay. They spend ££££s in the pubs and restaurants that provide work for the locals who stay in the area. They use local tradespeople (often paying premium rates) supermarkets, leisure facilities etc all of which would be unlikely to survive without them and which provide some employment to the local community.

The alternative to second home ownership is not some kind of utopian rural idyll. There are few if any decent jobs in the area - which is why so many people leave for the cities. Educational opportunities are also limited. The alternative to second home ownership would be the semi abandoned towns and villages you find in many French and Italian provinces - where life is pretty grim.

Sacha - the place where our second home is would strongly disagree with you "that they bring nothing to the area" they rely on tourism is lots of cases and they rely on holiday home lets and people with second homes coming down at weekends and for holidays. They spend money in the shops, pubs, restaurants and on boating trips etc. They create jobs and keep the area going in many ways.

You are talking rubbish. I think if you had a job which relied on tourism you would have a different attitude

We do and haven’t. As much as we’d normally spend Easter weekend down there, and would love to, it’s not essential travel so will be staying put.

If I had a 2nd home I would have gone there but I would keep quiet about it!

I do and I haven't too. I'm still working so can't really even if I wanted to.

Why is wanting a better job more ok than wanting to save the life of your family? It's also mostly those people, who moved to cities for jobs, who left cities for lockdown. It's returning locals more than second homers. You must've seen all the threads from people collecting their adult children from cities.

As @OnlyFoolsnMothers says people from the rest of the country moving to London and other cities puts huge pressure on resources. One of the reasons so many elderly and vulnerable people in cities are dying is indirectly because of this. The pressure on housing in cities with people crammed into high density overcrowded housing - and this helps the virus spread. Wealthy second homers are a minority of city dwellers. As for Facebook posts, I wouldn't believe everything I read on there.

I haven’t gone to mine, much as i would love to. It’s against the rules, I don’t think it’s fair on the locals - but I do sometimes think they forget we pay our council tax so contribute towards local services we are not using on a daily basis.

You are talking rubbish. I think if you had a job which relied on tourism you would have a different attitude

I lived in a tourist area, and as a young person most jobs were summer only. Many were let go by late autumn. I can categorically tell you that we did not have a 'grateful for the tourist' attitude. As I said up thread you get stuck in a cycle of being reliant of tourism but having no other means to sustain your local economy, so many younger people tend to leave and not come back. Yes you bring money, but nothing else. Many buy homes but dont bring anything to the community, the culture and in some cases berate the locals for speaking their own language. The ones who loudly proclaim 'we've been coming here for 10/20+ years, we're practically locals ourselves!' are the worst. I can guarantee most of the actual locals don't think the same.