If you had a second home, have you or would you go to it ?

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And I dont and I never will as morally I dont agree with holiday homes as they decimate local communities. I am also not a selfish cunt so I would always stay at home. I say that as someone with a 3 year old with no outside space at all and it is a real struggle.

I am also not a selfish cunt so I would always stay at home
but they are HOME

When you see the overcrowding in parks and streets in cities, what would be selfish would be to stay there when you can go in a quieter area and spread a bit!

Especially if you have the choice between a flat and a house, your neighbours will be given some space too when you go.

It's way too late now, of course you can't go.

A couple of weeks before the official lockdown was the right time, and when most people did.

turquoisedoor Cumbria isn’t free of Coronavirus. For a sparsely populated county it has plenty of cases. It doesn’t need people coming up to second homes to put pressure on the few hospital beds there are.

If the camp beds in Penrith leisure centre don’t put people off coming to Cumbria, I don’t know what will!

Who's flocking to Pembrokeshire? I thought locals returning home (plus a minority of second homers) did so weeks ago. No one's moving now. They couldn't even if they wanted to what with roadblocks and angry locals. The hundreds of thousands of elderly city dwellers with cardiac or respiratory issues are staying in cities.

If you can understand someone moving to an overcrowded (but welcoming) city for work - contributing towards the conditions that are now spreading Covid, high density housing, polluted air with the consequent rise in asthma cases, you might understand someone moving to rural areas (before lockdown) to save their family's lives. Moving to a city puts pressure on resources just as moving to a rural area. Possibly different resources but it all affects quality of life. With Covid, being in a high density population is a major risk to your life.

I have a second and third home. Haven't been near either in over a month, as I'm not thick as fuck.

OrganTransplant No ones coming now. They can't get there for a start. People who returned to their home towns in Cumbria to be with their families (and the minority of second homers) did so before lockdown. They went so they didn't get infected in the first place. They knew they had far more chance of needing a camp bed in the cities than in rural areas. I agree the tiny minority who travelled when already infected shouldn't have - even if they did want to return to their home town. The majority of those fleeing cities were returning locals, not second homers. The celebrities won't likely put anyone at risk
They'd have travelled by car (or helicopter) as they wouldn't risk themselves on public transport.

I only have one home so obviously that's where I'll stay. It is not the type of place that people come on holiday to, it's just an ordinary town so we won't have an influx either.
However, I can understand the temptation of people living cramped up in London for work, perhaps with no garden, wishing to go and do the lockdown in a second home in Devon/Cornwall. If this is not acceptable, then it needs to be specifically prohibited by the government, rather than policed by locals people who are ordinary citizens, not police/council/whatever. It needs to be prohibited by the government because otherwise, citizens not allowing other citizens to enter properties they own is not really acceptable.

My parents have a second home we could use. We were going to go down over Easter before this all kicked off. We still could, DH have talked about it and were tempted. We would isolate whilst there, so take all food etc with us so would only go out for our daily exercise.

We have decided not too though and follow the rules. It's not worth the risk

We have and not gone there or back to check on it as it's a lockdown. We currently live rurally anyway with a garden, other house is our old one near London. Insurance is stuffed on it as it's not supposed to be left unoccupied for over 30 days but it's pretty overlooked so should be OK and it's fairly empty.

We do and we haven’t gone. I’m not sure that there is anything wrong with people having gone before lock down though. Part of the reason we didn’t go was that my parents are locals and we didn’t want to be responsible for any ire aimed at them.

Cumbria has the second highest rate of infection outside London. Why do you think that is? They’re not setting up field hospitals in leisure centres for fun are they?

The people that went there to stay are very selfish and also very foolish if they think they are safe from the virus because they went to a rural area. Like rats leaving a sinking ship.

I live in a tiny rural village and 4 of the houses are owned by families who have their primary residence in London. 2 of the families came up before lock down and have stayed and the third is empty so assume they have stayed in London. Absolutely no issues with these guys as they are keeping themselves to themselves.

The problem is the 4th one - the family who own that (2 adults and 3 teenage kids) have been up for the last 2 weekends, disappearing back to London for during the week 🤬 currently taking bets as to what time they appear today or tomorrow......

If this is not acceptable, then it needs to be specifically prohibited by the government, rather than policed by locals people who are ordinary citizens, not police/council/whatever

exactly. and the royal family was the first to lead the way.

It is NOW prohibited, but it was fine when the majority of people went home.

I can understand why they would be tempted and also the first hospitals that reach max capacity are usually London hospitals anyway

Really? We only have one main hospital for the whole of Cornwall and it's not that big either.

Has Cumbria overtaken Birmingham? I thought that was the second highest. Unless the number of deaths is a different figure to the rate of infection statistics. I know the number of deaths in London and Birmingham is very high. Say there's ten people somewhere and a million somewhere else. Two out of ten would presumably be a higher percentage than 10,000 out of a milion, yet the larger place is clearly be harder hit suffering far more deaths.

I heard the infections in Cumbria were mostly linked to ski holiday returnees (and cruises and other trips)? I wonder of people who went to Cumbria from elsewhere, the percentage who were returning locals vs holiday-makers? Does anyone know? Shame lockdown wasn't in place across the UK far sooner.

Phil but Cornwall likely won't need another hospital since people there are far less likely to get it in the first place.

We do have a second home in Devon and of course we are not going to use it. Apart from anything else, we get on with the locals/our neighbours and they’d be understandably pissed off if we broke the rules for our own selfishness, putting them at risk. Yes, we’d love to be down there right now, but it’s a small price to pay.

@turquoisedoor As of this morning 224 confirmed cases and 28 deaths as of yesterday.

whojam That's terrible. They're putting your area and London at risk by doing that. If they're driving, they're also risking a road accident at a time when the NHS is already overburdened.

In my home village, there’s a huge number of holiday homes. It’s sad that so many houses lie empty for most of the year. I don’t think it’s second home owners who have caused the problem though. There’s new houses being built in the surrounding towns all the time. First time buyers and families would rather have a new home than a cramped cottage on the seafront with no garden, drive or garage.

I think it would be really selfish to go to a second home just now, potentially taking the virus with you.

No I don't and no I wouldn't. Because I listen to government advice and adhere to the rules and I'm not a selfish entitled idiot who believes that the rules don't apply to me.

We have a second home. We were supposed to be there this week but we aren't. This is due to not being allowed to travel but also because it's in the Hebrides and ferries aren't taking people who don't live there permanently. It's the first Easter in 13 years that we've not gone there (since we moved away from there) and I miss it dreadfully, but those are the rules.

the royal family was the first to lead the way

Apparently if there’s any threat to the Royal family (war, pandemic, terrorist threat etc) then they all separate to protect the lineage. The plans were in place already and they had the support of the RAF to transport them.

I live in the same area as Balmoral and was miffed when they appeared!

Last I spoke to somebody working in Treliske hospital (the only hopspital in Cornwall), every single bed in the ICU is currently occupied... all twelve of them. Twelve, for the whole county.

So yes, we would reach capacity faster than a London hospital, as there are a smaller number of beds per capita, which obviously becomes worse when there is an influx of non-locals or second homeowners.

Anyway, the last I spoke to the person I know who works there, she told me that every single ICU bed is currently occupied by people from out of county as their primary residence.

All the deaths are awful Phil and obviously Cornwall has less people so proportionately lower death numbers affect a lot of the population. I hope you can understand, if not condone, those who escaped cities(before lockdown and self isolating). It's far safer outside the cities. The chances of catching it are much lower. London alone accounts for around half of all UK deaths, several thousand already. I hope Cornwall and other rural areas stay safe and keep their figures down. I don't have a second home. I'd prefer to live rurally full-time and hope the Stay Away message only applies during Covid. Just as second homers travelling after virus exposure are a minority, I hope the insular rural who hates any incomer, temporary or permanent, is also a minority?