Will you all be paying for Mumsnet Premium?

[WorraLiberty]

I'm not sure yet but I'll probably pay for a month and then see what other features they bring in.

Thread by Justine incase you haven't seen it

YABU = No

YANBU = Yes, I might give it a try

ohcaptain

Yes. Many times and other posters have as well. I’d be surprised if you’ve never seen it.

Mumsnet did delete the cunt comment to be fair. There's a crowd of really vocal bullies on here though who seem to belong to some sort of hive mind. You know what the replies are going to be like as soon as you see a thread title.

I got told that I was a murderer.

It doesn't get deleted. It doesn't even get acknowledged.

Same here Wobbly a bit like the positive environmental impact atm.

As I understand it a loan is a big problem. So it’s to pay that off. Interesting for SM companies re what’s valuable / assets (not much, can’t sell us off).

it appears HQ have stopped engaging ... and without addressing the many questions about security even once.

I think this is a poor move. If you engage with posters but continually ignore sensible and important questions regarding the security of your site, which has had numerous hacks / data breeches. Then you don't deserve the respect, let alone the money of those posters.

I suspect many of those who jumped into paying without thinking of the potential consequences will be rethinking their decision. I just hope they don't lose more than what they have already given.

I got told that I was a murderer

Me too. And that they hoped I'd die on the streets so I knew what it was like. That was not deleted.

Noone in any other walk of life or even on any other social media platform has been as horrible to me as people have been on here.

Can’t sell us off, can tap us up for £50.
The more I think about it the more cynical it seems.

People posting they don’t want to lose the support so paying, or being worried / guilty they can’t pay.
The benefits not yet defined so members worried it won’t be the place it is now.
Yes, Mumsnet is a business. I never thought it would be a profiteering from a crisis type business. Never in a million years

It’s been touted as a public service but I reckon it impacts on people’s stress as much as the opposite.

If it folds it’ll take three days to kick the habit and people will feel better without it imo

If they make all the improvements outlined by others I might consider it. Though then again, with such a poor security record I probably wouldn't.

@Calmdowndeary I genuinely haven't seen it. I know politics gets very robust! But I don't think that's the same as abuse.

Why is providing an edit button so hard btw? It’s been standard elsewhere for about a decade

Speculating here @LaurieMarlow The ability to edit a post that's already been published isn't in itself technically difficult to do. I expect the challenge is implementation from the perspective of the circumstances under which a user should be permitted to edit and whether it could (as per previous discussions) jeopardise the integrity of a discussion if for example a poster says something they later try to retract or obfuscate due to it being a lie, a dripfeed that goes wrong, various such scenarios that are not just the simplistic bog-standard SPAG error.

The ability to replace a "dodgy" post with, for example, a . (period) or xxx to basically get rid of a block of text not for honesty reasons, could have unintended consequences, such as frustration or mistrust by other posters. If they included the pre-edited post to show what edit had been made, it would make the thread a real mess, which would be a nightmare on a mobile device with small screen.

Pathetic. Are you condoning the abuse?

No, I’m not condoning abuse, plenty has come my way in my time here. If you get abused, report it. I don’t because I like abusers to deal with the consequences.

But don’t moan because you get criticised for your political views. It’s called democracy.

Have they really shelved the edit button already. Thats was literally the only tangible thing they could say premium members wouod get. Ah well I'm sure if we continue ask for another 10 years it might eventually make an appearance.

I really hope anyone who jumped in and paid gets a cooling off period to change their mind. A lot of posters yesterday seemed to think they wouldn't be able to use the site at all unless they paid.

I see the site stuff thread is full and doesn't seem to be opening up a follow on.

I'm a bit surprised that so many people don't grasp the cost of running a site like this or the cost of rearchitecting it to move to AWS (or think that you can employ an AWS architect for pennies).

I'm less surprised that people don't realise Netflix, Disney etc run on billions in debt (Netflix was about 13billion in debt last year from memory). I doubt if MN could get the kind of VC backing to operate at a loss.

I have my own issues with the current offer, not least the diengenuous description of a serious data breach as "small print" and the breacher as "distraught" when she was happily boasting about it on SM and lapping up the adulation, and data security in general.

I really hope anyone who jumped in and paid gets a cooling off period to change their mind.

Surely they would do under the distance selling rules?

Distance selling regulations - for cooling off period of 14 days. If anyone wishes to might be worth looking if it’s covered.

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I'm a bit surprised that so many people don't grasp the cost of running a site like this

I think a lot of people are suprised 100 people work on creating a website thats not updated much and a chat forum which is poorly designed and moderated by volunteers at night and that the wave bill is a staggering 350k a month. I appreciate sites like this cost money to run and that they need to employ people to get advertising etc but 350k a month is just mindblowing.

Yep Please

I got told that I was a murderer ... Me too. And that they hoped I'd die on the streets so I knew what it was like. That was not deleted

I'd suggest this shows the very obvious bias of some moderators, which seems to go unchecked
After an HQ post about "no abuse with little context around personality/appearance" I visted one of the Trump threads and, just as an experiment, reported some of the more filthy remarks. Granted I'm no fan, but all the same it was interesting to see no action taken

There’s a few posters who have either joined to post about this (or namechanged)

100 staff does seem a lot... I wonder why that could be (posting perhaps).

I'm a bit surprised that so many people don't grasp the cost of running a site like this or the cost of rearchitecting it to move to AWS (or think that you can employ an AWS architect for pennies).

I do totally understand the costs but if we are paying then I expect far more than is on offer. I also understand costs of employing staff and I don't expect people to be paid peanuts. But with that comes expectations.

This site doesn't actually benefit me in such a way that is worth paying for. If I break it down this site is about wasting time. I often wonder why the hell I engage with posters on threads that I wouldn't tolerate in RL because they add no value to my life and I really do value differences of opinion but not when they are wielded like a bully with no thought to others.

This might actually be the final push to go and do something more beneficial instead .

For every person who claims it’s helped them I’d bet there’s at least as many who feel hurt, stressed and pissed off as a result of posts.

Feels like the founders lost touch years ago. Maybe they misinterpreted huge business growth for business success. Success would mean the site would function efficiently, security would be taken seriously and policies applied consistently. Feels like they stayed stuck in the ‘ladies lunching round the kitchen table and having a bit of a giggle’ mindset.

It probably takes dozens of staff just to stop IT breeches, I imagine there are thousands of weird geeks in their grubby bedrooms in Russia/ London/ everywhere trying to crash well known sites.

Not a cat in hells chance will I be paying. I think it's ridiculous to start charging for things which should be standard on a forum.

Also at a time like this I think it's wrong that they can suddenly ask people to pay. Like others have said, this might be the push I need to stop using Mumsnet.