... to visit grand children after 2 weeks' isolation?

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They are aged 7 and 9, their father is a single parent, who is working from home. They're OK, no emergency, but I thought he might like some help and a bit of a break.

I don't want to do anything against govt guidelines, but as children of separated parents are allowed to visit both parents, I thought that might apply to (youngish, healthy) grandparents too? Does anyone know? Especially as both households have been in isolation for two weeks, so it's unlikely any of us is carrying it.

@PardonWhat Sorry for your loss. That sounds awful. What a horrendous time we are living in. ♥️

The strength of opinion on here has been a real eye-opener for me! Clearly, I've been living in my own little isolated bubble.

I'm sincerely sorry for people who are suffering, of course I am.

I think it depends how vulnerable your son is. I parent my grandson (4). My daughter (his mum) has custody of her daughter (2). She is a vulnerable person and her daughter has spent time in care and still on the child protection register. She still has PR for her son and so he still visits her like he did pre lockdown (one overnight a week) as she is his other parent iyswim. I worry about her daughter, so I go over most days and stand outside whilst she chats to me through her first floor flat window. I do her shopping and her washing - in bin bag straight into washing machine (she has no car or washing machine). I am happy with this as I believe the risk to my granddaughter from lockdown is greater than the risk of visiting in this way.

No.

@Supergran58 Yes, I think what you are doing is absolutely for the best. Good luck.

This question was asked at the press conference yesterday and both the health secretary band deputy chief medical advisor said 'no' in the strongest of terms.

What did you think was unclear about the “do not mix households, do not visit others” rule, OP?

@supergran58, Forgot to say, no, my son-in-law is not particularly vulnerable - not compared to other posters - although he is a fairly recent widower. They are all coping. But thank you for your post - I really feel for you.

Of course I won't be going to see my grandchildren, as I said upthread.

I stopped watching the News. As I said, living in a bubble.

I do know of a family where the grandmother (youngish, healthy, lived on her own) moved in with her daughters family at the beginning of lockdown to give them an extra set of hands as one of their children has an ASD.

If you are willing to permanently join households you are allowed to do that, but still puts everyone at risk of catching it from one another in the first 14 days.

OP this question has come up quite a bit on various phone ins and even at the press conference yesterday, so you are far from alone in your ponderings about this. I have wondered the same thing too as I have definitely heard doctors say it would be ok if you have both not come into contact with anyone else for 14 days prior to seeing each other. But that was before the lockdown rules were in force and now we can't do this.

NO!

I want to see my DD but I can’t. It’s not essential travel and I’m not an idiot!

People are being ridiculous and pedantic. You don’t have it because you’ve been isolated and you’d have been sick by now. Your DC and GDC don’t have it for the same reason. There’s no reason why you can’t get together when you’re both obviously clear. If either of you were going anywhere else, even to the supermarket or getting on the bus, I’d say no because one of you could catch it and pass it to the other. But if you’re both fully isolated then I don’t see the problem. Imo if elderly people are living alone then in many cases they’re more at risk from isolation and MH issues than they’re are from COVID.

I stopped watching the News. As I said, living in a bubble

You need to watch the news as a stark reminder of why we are doing this. It actually helps.

no, no, no, no, no!! What part of no do you not understand??

It's against the rules. They are not your children and you are not the non resident parent and they are not visiting you.

@HP I did think of that, but not in time. Plus I didn't want son-in-law to think I thought he couldn't cope. He didn't suggest it, so I didn't. I thought I would wait 2 weeks to see how things were, and, as I have said, he is coping.

Have they been in proper isolation though? As in really not going anywhere, even to shops?

People say 'isolation' because they feel isolated, not because they are actually in it. If they have just been social distancing, they could have picked it up in those two weeks. Every time we go to the supermarket, there's a risk there, it's just the nature of the thing.

Plus we really still don't know the incubation period.

Anyway, it's against the guidelines anyway, so that answers your question, but just wanted to say that my friends doing social distancing are doing some questionable things, I bet it's the same with isolation.

I think even with proper isolation there’s still a risk of the virus getting in to one of the houses. Food deliveries, post, etc. And that’s even if nobody has popped out for so much as a pint of milk.

Petilolaris you are wrong. So very very wrong. Watch the news. Listen to the public broadcasts. This is not allowed.

The government will today or tomorrow lock us down further (only allowed 200 metres from our home for exercise, 1 person per household to go to shop, pharmacy or .medical appt) precisely because people like you are not getting it / choosing not to get it. Either way, not following the rules.

@Supergran58

Your DD and DGD are clearly vulnerable so what you're doing is absolutely necessary and allowed.

Thank you, @Petiolaris, that is what I was thinking. And I also think MH problems should be taken very seriously. But they are all OK for now.

The strength of opinion on here has been a real eye-opener for me! Clearly, I've been living in my own little isolated bubble.

I think this is the case for lots people. I still get asked for 'social distancing' play dates by friends that are regularly going to the shops and parks etc.

Thing is, every time you go out you increase your risk of catching it. Every time. They are not sure how it spreads etc, what the symptoms are, who is more vulnerable and why. It's an unknown.m that nobody has immunity to. The only way to prevent yourself from catching it is to stay home and go out as little as possible.

My parents were out at the shops daily, hadn't seen anyone else for over two weeks then one fell ill with unusual symptoms has been in hospital with covid and pretty unwell.

The advice for essential outings only is for a reason but it seems a lot of people don't understand the science behind it.

Every day im seeing the same questions asked i literally cant take any more, what will it take for people to realise how dangerous this is? Yesterday i did a 12 hour shift on a ward with 18 positive covid patients by the time my shift had ended there was 16! People are dying from this, patients on oxygen struggling with every breath alarms going off constantly patients seeing whats going on scared for their lives, so scared a woman who was 55 handwrote out a DNR because she was so scared of what she was seeing. Nurses hiding in dirty sluices crying because they cant take no more all because people think they are invincible to this horrible killer! Please stay at home for goodness sake for the sake of everyone

RUOKHUN

Having to grieve away from family and not sure if we can have a funeral, no one there to hold her hand - yet people think they’re the exception to the rule.
Drives me bloody nuts. Thank you for your kind words