Are driveway drinks allowed

[NotPawPatrolAgain]

With neighbours if sticking to the 2 metre rule?

Too many people are interpretting lockdown to mean 'make sure you are totally fucking miserable, and if you aren't, you aren't trying hard enough'

Agreed

I cut the front lawn yesterday, my neighbour opposite also cut hers

Once we’d finished, we got a cup of tea and had a chat for a little while. We were at least 20 foot away from each other the entire time.

MN would, by the looks of things, at the moment ban anything that’s not sitting in a darkened room self-flagellating and eating one slice of bread a day.

Bread is not essential, you selfish git.

MN would, by the looks of things, at the moment ban anything that’s not sitting in a darkened room self-flagellating and eating one slice of bread a day.

Bread! That's not essential, dust please!

Being miserable doesn't boost your immune system.

mochajoes snap!

@Eckhart I think we all need to be aware that the transmission is not entirely understood.

Guidelines are changing almost daily.

The WHO said masks were not of any use but now they are re-thinking.

The 1 metre transmission risk has been questioned by other experts. They think it could spread as far as 20 feet after a sneeze.

That would be the same as for the common flu virus- evidently if someone sneezes in a train carriage, the aerosol dispersion can be the length of the carriage.

They simply don't know enough about Covid19 to be sure that isn't the case for it too.

Many of these advisory organisations like the NHS and WHO are slow to react to new data. They can be behind the research and won't make statements until they are 100% sure.. This can often take months or years.

Personally, I'd not want to get close to anyone who wasn't family unless absolutely vital.

So if you go out to hang your washing, and your neighbours in their garden, do you scurry back inside?

In my case, no. But I have an exceptionally large garden, bordered with high shrubs and trees.

In a smaller garden, I'd probably go inside.

I wonder how all the grey area pushers would feel if they’re grandma/mum/child was on a ventilator, or denied a ventilator because there are none left because people chose to socialise thinking it would affect them.

Gardens are fine. You’ll be doing your own thing at different times in different areas. Drive drinks: you’ll be facing each other breathing in their droplets. And you’ll be meeting people outside your household which is not allowed.

@swish 🤣

"Drive drinks: you’ll be facing each other breathing in their droplets"

Is it ok if I make up a string telephone and use that?

The trouble is that it leads to things being uneccessarily harder for everyone. We are fortunate to have quite big back gardens, I put DS' playpen in the middle which is about triple the distance from the fences than is required. My neighbour though is terrified of being closeish to absolutely anyone, and she will go in when we are out. Which leaves the really awkward position of being worried about going out because then she won't feel comfortable in her garden, even though the precautions we are taking are above what is needed. She was saying a few weeks ago she had been reading this and that and talking to x, y and z.

I wonder how all the grey area pushers would feel if they’re grandma/mum/child was on a ventilator, or denied a ventilator because there are none left because people chose to socialise thinking it would affect them.

So the doctors & surgeons who live on my road (near big hospital) & have chatted to me across the road/on driveways don't care?

Most people aren't getting the letter. If you are, then yes, you probably need to try harder than most others not to catch this. Most people will be sick but not need hospitalisation.

The focus is reducing the chances of those who do need hospitalisation catching it at the same time (note, the plan is just spreading out when they catch it, not stopping them catching it ever).

I would presume if the OP or her neighbour had the letter, they would be more likely to not even go in the garden.

I meet my neighbour for coffee over the fence keeping 2m apart. It’s become the highlight of our week.

The important bit is remaining 2m apart surely?

I wonder how all the grey area pushers would feel if they’re grandma/mum/child was on a ventilator, or denied a ventilator because there are none left because people chose to socialise thinking it would affect them.

There is no grey area in being on your own property, drinking your own drink and talking to someone some distance away who's also on their own property.

If they change the guidelines to limit me to indoors only, i'll abide by that.

So the doctors & surgeons who live on my road (near big hospital) & have chatted to me across the road/on driveways don't care?

Don't you know the 'experts' of MN know far more than doctors and surgeons?

clearly

Yesterday I went into my back garden to hang washing out. My neighbour was in her garden so we had a conversation. We were probably about 6 metres apart the entire time. Are some people on here seriously saying I shouldn't have done this?

Personally I feel safer just due to the fact that I’m in my detached house and not in an apartment block, and I know a lot of people live In flats here, but not to the extent of European cities where it’s very much the norm. I don’t say that as a boast - the house needs some bloody work! - but it’s just situational. We are much more ‘suburban’ in the Uk in our land use and single family two story homes with a garden are aspirational The governor of New York even said that apartment living - cramped, shared elevators, shared laundry rooms, shared waste facilities like bin stores etc, lack of ventilation - could contribute in NYC like it may have contributed in Italy to the spread of the virus. I know it has similarly spread fast here but there has to be some science behind the fact that we as a society are More likely to be able to hole up in a house with no one else in the hallways, No one else touching the wheely bins (I mean - bin men yes) no one else using the washing machine, a back door we can open to ventilate.Therefore I don’t think there’s much added harm in standing on a drive with 40ft across a road as I say good morning and how are you to a neighbour.

Last week I sat in my garden having a coffee with my next door neighbour. We both have elderly mothers in hospital, neither have the virus.
We can't visit, hold our precious mothers's hands and in all probability, won't be there for their last moments on Earth. 😢
So we sit at a distance to offer support and comfort to each other thru these heartbreaking days. 💔
Stop judging others for their need to share human contact by sitting at the safe advised distance.

Plenty of epidemiologists and consultant virologists believe the virus is airborne

And plenty don't, including the WHO you posted yourself, @caperberries

Coronavirus is airborne like sand is airborne. Only if you throw it.

Ffs of course it's fine - as long as you don't leave it impossible for others to pass
You with the required 2m distance.

*LaurieMarlow

What makes you imagine you should be exempt?
So if you go out to hang your washing, and your neighbours in their garden, do you scurry back inside?*

Exactly my point. Plus during the conversation I asked if my neighbour needed any shopping as I planned to go to the shop later. She did need something, so that conversation over the fence prevented us BOTH going to the shop.

"Going out onto your street to clap isn't essential either..."
There's a dangerous irony of people clapping so closely together on the NHS Thursdays. It makes me cringe.

There were about 4-5 households doing this most of the day yesterday down my street. We are maisonettes so one driveway to the front and one to the side and quite a distance between the 1st and last household so some had taken chairs onto the grass verge in front of the drives. I had to get my 8 year old to ride her bike in the road (alongside me) to pass them as we rode around the block for some exercise. Walking on the path would not have kept 2m distance between their circle.

Some were also drinking. A police car pulled up and I heard drunk man and woman raising their voices and the police just left 🤷🏽‍♀️
They probably refused to go in and police just left them to it but it really wound me up especially as that group of people are the first ones to start the clap for the NHS and last ones to go in and one has chalked the driveway and pavement with a rainbow and we love the NHS yet happily sit around a bit too close to each other risking infection. IDIOTS