Are driveway drinks allowed

[NotPawPatrolAgain]

With neighbours if sticking to the 2 metre rule?

i couldn't care less if I don't socialise for the next year

That's the crux of it, it's not just about you!

The whole thing is about flattening the curve, not completely stopping transmission. They've decided that 2m is enough that it massively reduces the risk of infection, it doesn't remove the risk completely. Talking to neighbours while sat on your own drive breaks no rules and the risk of infection is very low. I think it's fine.

Laughing, shouting, singing, groups, all increase the risk.

So the balcony singing in Italy was wrong?

@caperberries
'The virus that causes COVID-19 is mainly transmitted through droplets generated when an infected person coughs, sneezes, or speaks. These droplets are too heavy to hang in the air. They quickly fall on floors or surfaces.

You can be infected by breathing in the virus if you are within 1 metre of a person who has COVID-19, or by touching a contaminated surface and then touching your eyes, nose or mouth before washing your hands.'

This is the current WHO advice. www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-coronaviruses

@LaurieMarlow he guidelines are crystal clear:

Can I see my friends?
We must all stay away from each other to stop spreading the virus, and that means you should not be meeting friends unless you live in the same household. Instead, you could keep in touch with your friends using phone or video calls.

What makes you imagine you should be exempt?

Exactly Oysterbabe. The restrictions are aimed at slowing the spread, not trying to eradicate it.

And what's this "you do you" nonsense? This isn't a you do you type situation. Every time someone else pushes the boundaries it is potentially putting you as well as numerous other groups, at risk. So people do have the right to speak up if and when someone is flouting the rules or pushing things. That's like saying to someone condemning a drunk driver "you do you" as in leave them alone and mind your own business. No. It is everyone's business. It has the potential to harm others therefore it should be pointed out.

Do people understand that once we have got over this peak it's very likely that the rules will be relaxed & then we will be under lockdown again if there are signs of another peak. Will the virus have magically disappeared?

What makes you imagine you should be exempt?
So if you go out to hang your washing, and your neighbours in their garden, do you scurry back inside?

Yadnbu
Sounds like a fab idea and a great way to
Keep up neighbourly relations

Also my garden borders my drive so to say I can't go into the drive and not the garden is beyond ridiculous

And I agree with the pp who said we need the unofficial mn rules of how to self isolate / lockdown

These discussions annoy me. Mainly because everyone comes with their own idea of a front garden. Eg Those with drives next to each other,;houses with a front step only and front onto the highway; those with individual front gardens; those with drives do long that you need to take a picnic lunch and Sherpa to get to the end of it.
So when people have a particular front garden in mind they start to apply to the rules to that set up.
I was out in our front garden yesterday bringing in a delivery my neighbour came out at the same time to water plants. We were 4 metres apart separated by 2 sets of railings. Nothing wrong with that lovely chat.
An elderly lady came by who was exercising, I smiled and said hello , she came closer and we had a short chat keeping our distance for a few minutes.

I too thought of the balcony concerts in Italy , the mass bingo. Would MN ban these too?

Can some of the 'no' people on here explain why a) it's wrong to both you and your neighbour to be in your garden at the same time, b) why front gardens are more dangerous than back gardens, and c) why talking to your neighbour the same distance apart increases the risk than just both doing your own thing in your garden?

Genuinely have people on here not gone into their gardens this hot weekend if their neighbours were out in theirs?!

And what's this "you do you" nonsense? This isn't a you do you type situation.

I should have been more clear. ‘You do you’ in the confines of the official advice.

If you think that people are breaking rules by sitting in their own drive, drinking their own drink, report them.

Laughing and singing increase the risk of catching it.... ffs!

😂😂😂😂

All you people saying no, if you go into your garden to hang out washing and your neighbour comes out, do you immediately retreat indoors? 😂

It's fine.

No different than standing outside your own front door in your front garden talking to your neighbour across the street who is doing the same in his front garden.

Or People who are organising 'dancing in the street' parties.

FFS.

Yes, we're staying home per the guidelines. But what the OP is suggested IS also staying home, away from people who don't live with you, on your own property.

North west tonight also had a segment of people sat in their front yards with flasks having a chat saying it’s a great thing to do. Confusing then seeing as people on her are saying don’t even step out of the door to your house ?

I don’t think we are banned from our own gardens are we ? It’s leaving the house you’re not supposed to do, and a front and back garden is part of a house.

This is the current WHO advice. www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-coronaviruses

Back in January, the (largely Chinese-funded) WHO was quibbling about whether the virus was transmissible between people & arguing against travel bans from China, so they've lost any credibility they had, frankly.

www.statnews.com/2020/01/31/as-far-right-calls-for-china-travel-ban-health-experts-warn-coronavirus-response-would-suffer/

Plenty of epidemiologists and consultant virologists believe the virus is airborne.

Mlou32 And what's this "you do you" nonsense? This isn't a you do you type situation ...
It is everyone's business. It has the potential to harm others therefore it should be pointed out.

It's ragingly hypocritical of people who have family around them to tell others to completely isolate from everyone. Perhaps if they were forced to be completely separate from all other humans they might understand that.

I actually see on the news the reports of people on balconies etc in European countries and the balconies are attached and people aren’t standing that far apart from each other. Sort of just a continuous ledge with low walls separating. So how is that containing the virus and standing on your drive talking to a neighbour OVER THE ROAD isn’t ?

Lol I have no idea but I sure as hell wouldn't ask Mumsnet if that's what I was planning!

MN would, by the looks of things, at the moment ban anything that’s not sitting in a darkened room self-flagellating and eating one slice of bread a day.

You would think people could use common sense instead of stubbornly demanding a rule for all when everybody's situation is different.

It should be pretty obvious that a detached house with a driveway big enough for 4 cars and a house at least 25ft from the public pavement will be more forgiving than a driveway in a terraced where the back of your micra touches the pavement.

It's pretty obvious if you are on top of your neighbours and the public or you are not.

There are some seriously odd people on MN, I shall call them LockDOWNers - determined to make things even more miserable for everyone than necessary.

There's literally nothing in the legislation or even the guidelines saying you can't go out in your own garden or driveway - 'out' does not mean 'outdoors', it means leaving your home environs (which include the garden and driveway). It's incredibly unlikely you could catch CV19 from people several metres away who aren't touching or sharing utensils etc.

Because the letter they are sending out clearly states "you should not meet friends or relatives who do not live in your home."

So what am I supposed to do if I see my neighbour in the garden, ignore her?

I don't know how some Mumsnetters would cope with my garden as it only 2m wide! We still manage to go out though and be civil to the neighbours.

I think if you're stepping outside your front door and into the wider world, even onto your own driveway, unless it's just one person from the household going outside for a few seconds to put the bins out, then the answer is NO you should not be outside your home except for in your own back garden.

So the fun police would even object to DH and I tidying the front garden together...