Are driveway drinks allowed

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With neighbours if sticking to the 2 metre rule?

Where are people getting the notion other countries are totally banning people from leaving the house? My brother lives in China, is deemed a 'yellow' risk for CV, they are tracking his every move via his phone. Even under these circumstances, he expected to travel to work in his office and is allowed to shop in certain stores. Do people really think that aftter this week, noone will be allowed out until a vaccine is created and administered to everyone? There will have to be a controlled element of herd immunity at some point before too long.

No, you aren't meant to mix households at all even with the 2 m rule.

Going round to your neighbours drive for drinks would be mixing households, sitting at a distance on your separate properties and having a little chat is not!

A lot of people seem to be confusing travelling with "outside".

If I'm in my garden I'm not fucking travelling anywhere! I'm in my garden, which is covered by the rules and perfectly fine to be in.

The rules are clear, it's the competitive quarantining people that are muddying the water because they make things up as they go along, just for the sake of "being heroes" and "saving lives". Self gratifying bs.

*To the people saying No.

Why not?*

Because the letter they are sending out clearly states "you should not meet friends or relatives who do not live in your home."

You are allowed outside to exercise. You can go to the shop. You MUST NOT SOCIALISE WITH PEOPLE WHO DO NOT LIVE WITH YOU. It really is that simple.

I don't need "rules" to be able to exercise some common sense and judgement, @LaurieMarlow. There's sufficient information available to decide the consequences of all this stupidity. I couldn't care less if I don't socialise for the next year if it means we get out of this alive and don't end up on a ventilator.

All the people saying "the rules are..." don't appear to have actually read the rules and are making up extra crap to make life even more difficult.

The UK emergency legislation was kindly posted a few pages back. OP, this is allowed.

I think if you're stepping outside your front door and into the wider world, even onto your own driveway, unless it's just one person from the household going outside for a few seconds to put the bins out, then the answer is NO you should not be outside your home except for in your own back garden.

You can only go outside for one of the 4 reasons that have already been reiterated.

@PrincessConsueIaBananaHammock thought so, I’ve heard smiling is pretty frowned upon too - as is nodding in someone’s general direction

@clareOclareO I wouldn't waste your time and effort. These threads are like Wack-a-Mole, you'll exhaust yourself having to keep repeating the same stuff.

I'm outa here.

"You can only go outside for one of the 4 reasons that have already been reiterated."

Sigh.

You are allowed in your own garden.

You can talk to a neighbour if they are within speaking/shouting/walkie talkie distance in their own garden.

It's really fucking simple.

I really wish the joy police would stop making things up.

*Why do I need to do that?

The official guidance says keep a distance of 2 meters.

I abide by that.

This would not prevent me from

Being in my own driveway
Having a drink
Having a chat with a neighbour who is also in their own driveway, having a drink.*

The 2m presumably applies to brief encounters, not driveway drink sessions. I believe the official advice says something about not socialising in gardens, and this amounts to the same.

Even experts disagree on 'safe' distances however, and some research suggests the virus can survive in the air for 3 hours. What on earth is so appealing about driveway drinks to warrant the risk?

An "airborne" virus, in contrast, has long been considered to be a virus that spreads in exhaled particles that are tiny enough to linger in the air and move with air currents, letting them be breathed in by passersby who then get sick.

www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/04/03/825639323/scientists-probe-how-coronavirus-might-travel-through-the-air?t=1586163781127

It's airborne. It won't respect 2 metres. 2 metres is the minimum you should be near anyone if you have to pass/ interact with them. If you stand 2 metres from people for any length of time, airborne particles will be shared

This. If there is a group of people, talking loudly and laughing, there will be a concentration of airborne viruses.

I think the 2m rule has given a sense of false security.

Laughing, shouting, singing, groups, all increase the risk.

We pulled a fence panel out of the fence yesterday and had a cuppa with next door - they were on their side and we on ours. There were two flower beds between us so easy to maintain a good distance, easily more than 2 metres. We made our own cups of tea and didn't share anything over the fence.

Our next door neighbours the other side and joined in the chat at one point from their bedroom window and up a tree in their garden!

It was nice to do that on a sunny day and meant none of us went to the park / left our own homes. It's made the gloominess of the weekdays in lockdown a little better to bear.

If you mean sitting on your separate driveways I really can’t see an issue and it isn’t breaking the social distancing rules in any way.

believe the official advice says something about not socialising in gardens, and this amounts to the same

It doesn’t.

i couldn't care less if I don't socialise for the next year if it means we get out of this alive and don't end up on a ventilator.

It’s not just about you though, is it?

Plenty of people whose mental health is really suffering at this time. Plenty of people living alone with no human contact day after day.

And here come people like you, trying to clamp down on perfectly fine, non-prohibited behaviour that will be a big help in getting them through a tough time.

You do you. Let them take care of themselves. If they are breaking explicit guidelines, tell the authorities. However, they are not.

I believe the official advice says something about not socialising in gardens, and this amounts to the same.

Evidence for this please.

I really wish the joy police would stop making things up

Have you seen the modelling fine by epidemiologists into the movement of both droplets and airborne virus in the air?

I think we need to stop bitchin about things that within the letter of what we have been told to do . Some people will find alternate ways to communicate and ensure that neighbours are well and coping, this is one of them. No one is saying each drive is right next to each other and obviously with terraced housing you would struggle with the distances, but just use the back gardens, clearly it is situational and where appropriate distance can be maintained its fine to talk to people, we are not congregating in public its all private land and the distances have been maintained. Lets keep our heads about this - remember we are not trying to prevent getting ill just slowing the progress of the virus...

"I hope new lockdown rules come into play to make things clearer for people".

Things don't need to be made clearer for people. I genuinely can't think of anything the government could say whereby people wouldn't say "oh but this isn't clear" or "but what about this".

The only way you would not understand what is currently being asked of you is if you:

1. Have intelligence deficits or
2. Are wilfully choosing to not understand/pretending that you don't understand in order for you to do what you want when you want then claim to have not understood.

Why do people like you try and push the boundaries little by little? It's not hard. My 11, 10 & 8 year old nieces and nephew understand.

I think if you're stepping outside your front door and into the wider world, even onto your own driveway, unless it's just one person from the household going outside for a few seconds to put the bins out, then the answer is NO you should not be outside your home except for in your own back garden.

If only one person is allowed out on the driveway, then all those people coming out on to their diveways and to their gates to clap for the NHS are breaking the rules?

Stop making up the rules, it helps nobody.

OP, you will all still be on your own property, so I can't see the harm as long as you are 2m apart etc,

Stop making up the rules, it helps nobody.

This

Enjoy your own garden if you have one, but don’t be chattering away with the neighbours - keep your breath & CV to yourself

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We were playing on our drive yesterday (DS is 3) and our friends who live on the next street over were out for their walk. They came over, we were about 3m away from each other and holding our kids so no one got close. We had a quick chat and off they went. My neighbour across the road was glaring at us the whole time. I don't see that we did anything wrong! If I was sat drinking on my driveway and my neighbour came out, we'd chat! Honestly I can't see what the problem is??