To be annoyed at note through door asking us to clap

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Seriously, surely everyone knows about the clapping at this point and would do it if they wanted to/could?

I don't need a note through my door to make me feel crappy for not taking part. I thought at first it was a note asking if anyone needs assistance/shopping etc but nope, just a passive aggressive note thanking everyone for taking part and if those that haven't could join in this week. Eff that.

Don't get me wrong I applaud the NHS and keyworkers and have the upmost respect for them but I'm not clapping for my own practical reasons (getting baby to sleep is hard work, I'm not going to clap/bang pots just to wake them up again).

I'm not sure if it's my own attitude thats the problem or I'm rightly annoyed at people trying to guilt trip us into clapping. I don't need that, I've donated money and food in the last couple of weeks, I go out as little as possible (rarely), I'm doing my bit.

Walking around the streets pushing notes through doors surely goes against advice to “Stay Home”.

There's something about the phrase "gentle reminder" that starting to be really sinister.

Hood - Although it’s important to avoid contaminated school surfaces viruses do not multiply on surfaces. They multiply in a live host.

Does it not depend on the surface?

I'm thinking of petri dishes, sticky door handles etc

I live in sheltered housing with various vulnerable people some of whom, through no fault of their own, do not have excellent hygiene.

One very vulnerable person has all kinds of serious problems and his hands are absolutely filthy visibly encrusted with all kinds of things.

How about families with kids? Sticky hands and foods everywhere, is that not just like a naturally occurring petri dish?

Even with me trying hard to be clean I discover, to my horror, an occasional sticky bit

Please reassure me as I am trying so hard to be clean that my hands are flaky and dry

I'm considering going out this Thursday, waiting for the horrible noise (not just clapping) to stop, then shouting as loud as possible 'I hope none of you voted for {local tory mp, that everyone voted for name}'. I might get lynched. Wish me luck

Good luck, you'll need it

A very elderly man (80s?) was ranting in a queue about how he voted for Boris and Brexit because the NHS was in danger of being used up by foreigners and controlled by the EU's meddling

He didn't seem to have noticed that, even round here where there is a predominently tenderly, Tory, Brexiteer demographic, that most of the NHS staff are foreigners

Also thank you by the way for what you are doing, I would rather say thank you than give you "the clap" as a BBC news presenter called it the other day

the word "tenderly" appears by magic in the above post due to auto-correct

sweetest auto-correct ever

Hood - Although it’s important to avoid contaminated school surfaces viruses do not multiply on surfaces. They multiply in a live host.

was just thinking about this

the virus invades the cell (via lipid spike?) and replicates = multiplies as it hijacks the cell and turns it into a virus replicating factory yes?

so how does it work in a petri dish?

Just trying to get my head around this

Don’t know why ‘school’ crept into my post.

That is taking the piss. The first clap was moving, but to keep doing it now? Sick - in my view. None of us would be applauding firefighters entering a burning building dressed in shorts and t-shirts. We should be furious. Demandingxeffective PPE for all frontline staff immediately. Not clapping like performing seals.

The note is rude. Clap if you want to, don't if you don't. Clapping does not mean you appreciate them more. I appreciate the hard work all NHS workers and private carers do and I know it's tough. I have no intention of clapping though.

We didn’t clap first week. I think I put about partner who works in NHS every other post, but we were watching film together with child and totally forgot. I can’t get over how North Korean it feels but that’s me; I understand how emotional it is for many. I won’t be clapping for children and/or Boris though, sorry.

But as for the note, they can fuck off!

I agree the note is bad taste. I’ve done the clapping twice now and with kids in tow because I felt bad if I didn’t and because I thought it may look bad on me, as if I didn’t appreciate the NHS. But then it’s taken me forever to get the kids to bed. Some places are doing it earlier for those with kids like 6pm but neighbours should realise it’s bed time for kids and those with kids who aren’t there, are putting their kids to bed. Thanks for this, I feel less pressured now to do it this week.

Ignore it op. From my own perspective I've realised that the people obsessed with the clapping thing are the ones that aren't (able?) to contribute in other ways and they think that clapping is doing their bit (?) They also have way too much time on their hands if they are writing notes. Apologies if that seems harsh but while the rest of my neighbourhood are busy doing something to help; home schooling, taking care of the elderly and vulnerable and volunteering making PPE etc or simply complying and staying home, I've noticed that my happy clappy neighbours (only 2 by the way/1 house) are taking the car out 3 times a day, having family over and god knows what else. We all respect the NHS and are allowed to show it in our own way. If you know who it was who put the note through your door them why not post one back asking them for donations of fabric for scrubs, to volunteer for something etc. Make them feel guilty.

Hood - Although it’s important to avoid contaminated school surfaces viruses do not multiply on surfaces. They multiply in a live host.

Further thinking about this

A live host is likely to contaminate surfaces by coughing and breathing and touching things. This is what I meant in my posts.

Also after toileting, if hands are not washed then further virus is spread around.

So the viral load would potentially increase around the home just by an infected person living there if they were not meticulous about hygiene yes?

For families it would be worse for exactly the same reason. I was listening to a doctor talk about the history of scarlet fever and how it affected families. He said that the effect of viral load was very significant and was evidenced in the usual pattern that the 1st child to be ill was usually the least ill child, with the subsequent children becoming much more seriously ill. This was because of the children spreading virus around the family home while unwell and were infected with more virus than the 1st child.

As I have said many times I am not a doctor, just a pserson fascinated with disease and epidemiology (largely via my interest in cults, which tend to spread via social contagion and have many parallels with disease)

:)

We should be furious. Demandingxeffective PPE for all frontline staff immediately. Not clapping like performing seals.

this x 1,000

Don't feel crappy..I don't clap. My husband is a 'key worker'..nobody claps for him, he says he's doing his job.

I refuse to clap end of. Im a support worker in nursing homes and vunerable adults. Until they stop saying thanks nhs your doing a great job, instead of thanks key workers they can swivvel

You're not obliged to clap and as someone who works for the NHS I would rather people not clap for us every Thursday.

It was a wonderful gesture initially: we honestly thought no one would do it which is why it blew us away (and we all boo hooed for days over it) but it's not a necessity. For the majority of us once was more than enough and highly appreciated.

There are other people who deserve recognition and we're happy to just crack on with as little fuss as possible.

As this goes on it becomes more meaningless. Once was a nice show of solidarity, now it is expected and in yours and countless others I have read on here, demanded, it becomes more sinister.

We really are having too much say over others lives and it is really disturbing.

Put the note back saying “stop spreading disease and hysteria”

alternatively:

"Stop trying to bully people, spreading disease and hysteria with your ill thought out actions.
Many people consider this kind of behaviour is pointless and chavvy; do what you want, but how do you think a vulnerable person staying indoors for a 12 week period would feel on receiving a nasty little note like this?"

Ah a bit of community spirit by people who cant support the NHS in any other capacity and its met with such aggression and hostility!
I doubt it was a personal message to OP, but just a hopeful task for someone who feels at a loss right now.
And remember whilst you all moan that its bed time for your kids, lots of NHS staff are working around the clock away from their children to keep your friends and loved ones alive!
Bah humbug.

Virtue signalling

I had a passive aggressive reminder like that too, as presumably my absence has been noted both times. It was from the same neighbour who was just weeks ago telling everyone to #bekind. She’s is also a lynchpin of the volunteers in our village. Of course that is a great thing to do but it would be nice if she didn’t have to virtue signal at every opportunity and assume others are doing nothing because they’re not shouting about it. I have just lost a close relative and my DF is about to die and I can’t be with him so forgive me if I’m not fucking well clapping on demand! I do however, applaud the NHS at every chance and can’t thank the people in it for all they’re doing for my Dad and for everyone.

YANBU

I worked as an RN for thirty years, It's what I signed up for. The patients seemed to like and trust me and I was good at my job. (or so I was told) That's all really.