To be annoyed at note through door asking us to clap

[tainot]

Seriously, surely everyone knows about the clapping at this point and would do it if they wanted to/could?

I don't need a note through my door to make me feel crappy for not taking part. I thought at first it was a note asking if anyone needs assistance/shopping etc but nope, just a passive aggressive note thanking everyone for taking part and if those that haven't could join in this week. Eff that.

Don't get me wrong I applaud the NHS and keyworkers and have the upmost respect for them but I'm not clapping for my own practical reasons (getting baby to sleep is hard work, I'm not going to clap/bang pots just to wake them up again).

I'm not sure if it's my own attitude thats the problem or I'm rightly annoyed at people trying to guilt trip us into clapping. I don't need that, I've donated money and food in the last couple of weeks, I go out as little as possible (rarely), I'm doing my bit.

Hood - The Oxford Nuffield study released a couple of days ago said at the end that the data was unclear.

If I knew who the neighbour was, I would be giving them an absolute bollocking. Who put her in charge of what you do? All this clapping bollocks is driving me nuts. No-one in my little cul-de-sac works in the NHS, so who is going to hear/appreciate it? Are we also clapping for emergency services? If so, I’ll tell my dh I appreciate him going into people’s homes to sort out their problems and take away people who are trying to kill each other currently.

I think the clapping is all about people 'looking good' rather than 'being good'. It's symptomatic of a social media driven society where everything is about appearances.

I'm not against it per se, it's not a bad idea - we did it the first week but the second week we were busy with the toddler and didn't - I'd be annoyed if any of my neighbours put a note through the door to 'remind' me. Last time I looked this was still (just about) a free country...

I'd rather spend my time actually doing things to help. I'm not a key worker so I can't contribute directly to the NHS but by shopping for my neighbour who is in the vulnerable group I'm saving her from having to visit the shops and potentially get sick so I'm indirectly helping the NHS more than the people who stand on the doorstep one a week.

You may live in my MILs Road, she keeps doing this. We’ve kindly suggested she stop and just clap if she wants to but she was outraged at the suggestion. We haven’t told her that we don’t clap despite having a key worker at home as we think it’s virtue signalling. I hate this clapping thing, what started as a nice idea has turned into people thinking they have a right to act like the Stasi.

Hood - The Oxford Nuffield study released a couple of days ago said at the end that the data was unclear

I have been paying attention

One day one expert says one thing, another day another expert says something else.

One day we are aiming for herd immunity, the next day is brown trouser time for everyone and we all have to stay indoors.

One day cats do not catch the virus, the next they do and some tigers in the zoo have a dry cough.

The fact is that the world's most renowned authorities are refusing to commit themselves to certainty because this is a novel virus and even the experts opinions are provisional.

NHS staff and doctors and clinical staff all over the world are dying. We seem unable to supply them with the PPE that they need to stay safe.

If the The Oxford Nuffield study (I confess I have not read it) says that the evidence is unclear and apparently healthy doctors and nurses are dying what should be do?

1. Assume that they are safe and that PPE is not important because the study says the effects of viral load are unclear?

2. Hope for the best but plan for the worst and do our best to supply them with the kit they need?

And what should any sane, rational person do regarding home and personal hygiene?

1. Wash hands, clean surfaces and act as though viral load is significant and your home is as clean as your weakest link?

2. Wash hands, clean surfaces because of er, reasons.

Obviously hand washing and good hygiene are important at all times, regardless of the pandemic. Right now it makes absolute sense for everyone to do their best to stay clean and healthy, for their own sake and for the sake of the NHS.

Assuming that viral load is significant whilst appreciating the provisional nature of all information about a novel virus is just common sense surely?

@poppymatilda I clapped in the hope that a struggling nhs worker might hear and feel appreciated. I don’t care what anyone else thought or about me. I also vote Labour.

I also shop for my elderly neighbour. It’s doesn’t have to be clap OR help someone.

Hahaa
Somebody has far too much time on their hands

Ignore them OP.

@ tainot
We haven’t been clapping as if we stood on our doorstep it would set the pesky hounds off and the barking would kill the vibe for the rest of the clappers 😂
Have had a few loud passive aggressive comments, I just smile and wave or shout back “ hope you are keeping well “ as if I hadn’t heard them properly.
We support the NHS in other ways and don’t feel the need to defend myself to every neighbour.
Don’t let them get to you 🙂

I read on other forum that a lady got attacked by her neighbour for not clapping.
This lady has a newborn baby and was tending to it when the clapping happened and next she had a rude texts from next door neighbour attacking her and saying they are not friends anymore as she did not clapped!!!!w
This lady is scared now that they thinking of moving..

Hood - I think we are in agreement that erring on the side of caution is sensible! And of course ppe is important. But I do think it’s important to be accurate, to say that viral load is probably important rather than definitely. It’s just the sort of thing that the idiots who don’t trust scientists pick up on if it turns it not to be important, it leads to the perception that “they’re always changing their minds” rather than appreciating that scientific understanding evolves over time.

@Twinkle1208
No it wasnt a gentle reminder to show appreciation. This sort of clappy clappy definitely does not work for many many people. If you want to do it, then do it, your call. Personally it does not help show appreciation, many NHS workers dont like it. It is a social media gimmick that makes the clappers feel better. Show appreciation any way you like. For those that think all of this is yet another excuse to take a pop at voting Tory ffs stop it. I have lived through some mighty deprivations under labour rule, and other dodgy decisions eg Weapons of Mass Distruction which is converniently forgotten, oh in another country, never mind eh?

Thank you everyone, I'm glad to hear everyone's point of view.

I'm not against the clapping, if it makes NHS/keyworkers feel appreciated that's great. It's the note asking us to clap and pointing out people didn't clap, and the fact it's a note through the door. If they had included some helpful local information for those who don't have access to social media, online shopping then I wouldn't have been annoyed at all. Also please stick to clapping, don't go banging pots and pans and setting off fireworks

And to the person who said can't you ignore it like a basketball game invite or something, no, because it's completely different. There's a pandemic, I imagine lots of people will find anything coming through their letterbox slightly stressful, so an unhelpful piece of paper can't just be ignored. My hands are dry enough as it is!

@tainot That is incredibly annoying. I go out personally, but would NOT, if I was told to. Who dies this cheeky fecker think she is?!

Put a sign on the door saying you have young children asleep so will not be participating in the clap at 8pm. End of.

Clapping doesn't DO anything anyway. Of course we want to show our appreciation but if everyone who clapped gave a pound every thursday evening we could pay for PPE kits for nurses on CV-19 wards and paramedics. THAT would be impressive.

Sittinonthefloor

agree 100%

Put a sign in your window saying 'instead of clapping why don't we all donate a quid to xx charity/fundraiser/to buy PPE, and silently appreciate the key workers'

Clapping for the NHS is the new poppy fascism

The clapping was nice the first time but no one should feel they have to and be shamed for not doing it. It's become more of a show now and the videos posted on Facebook...look at us aren't we so caring shame on other roads. As for the banging,fireworks,stone lighting whatever else sure workers really appreciate all that when they're trying to sleep!
The fact that someone has taken time to post a note through..they have way to much time on their hands

Very intrusive.

The clapping thing is nice, but pointless.

I hope all the people clapping have voted in line with protecting the nhs - ie Labour and to Remain?

My innate sense of cynicism unfortunately gives me an aversion to the saccharine - so I have not clapped.
However, I didn’t vote Tory, I am following all social distancing guidelines, I try to stay fit and healthy (as far as it is in my control, of course) and I have signed up to give blood.
I think I support the NHS as much as I can.

Hood - Although it’s important to avoid contaminated school surfaces viruses do not multiply on surfaces. They multiply in a live host.

This would boil my blood. I work for the NHS (not front line).
I'm considering going out this Thursday, waiting for the horrible noise (not just clapping) to stop, then shouting as loud as possible 'I hope none of you voted for {local tory mp, that everyone voted for name}'. I might get lynched. Wish me luck

Uurgh, this is awful. I really hate it and im a front line health worker
It is maudlin, sentimental stuff. I realise we need kindness and perhaps there different strands of life we are needing to explore.
However, we, key workers have been trained and work for the job we do. There is no sainthood in it. We need to earn money, just like anyone else, in fact, WE ARE LUCKY! We can get out, legitimately and see our colleagues, we have variation and camaraderie in our lives, so much more than many who are holed up.

Bdayupset