To ask if you earn £50K+ what do you do?

[Poppi89]

I have seen a lot of posts on here where people say how much they earn and I am shocked how many people earn over £50K, so I was just wondering what it is that you do?

Also, do you think it is more important to have a high income or a job that you enjoy?

I don't think anyone has said it is all down to luck ...but luck and chance do play a part and shouldn't be ignored. Nobody has said it's impossible for certain groups to access particular careers but some groups do have an advantage and that needs to be addressed and challenged.

Falacy

Where do you publish?

Marketing, good fun and I have a lovely team.

@Ohtheroses how did or do you educate your children can I ask if you feel like that re the education system?

Senior civil servant

Our DC went to independent schools. They are both grown up and at uni now.

Why chose private?

The people who absolutely shone at school on the whole became very pedestrian - live in the same town, wear the same clothes and look back on their school days as the best in their lives. I don't really know anyone I went to school with anymore - a few I see on facebook - no idea what they do though or how successful they are, thankfully they don't tend to post about that kind of thing. I moved on from school pretty quickly - moved country, many of us did, didn't look back - I'm always amazed that some people can keep up with all the people they once knew at school, it's incredible!

I don't think my career is down to luck, it's down to sheer force of will.

Every move I've made up until this point has been well thought out and I've pushed until it's happened.

I've also secured salary increases simply by asking for it 🤷🏼‍♀️. I think knowing your own value in the work place is as important as hard work and qualifications. You could have PHDs coming out of your arse, but if you've not got the balls to sell your skills for what you consider fair then you're always going to be short changed.

I see it all the time. Good negotiation skills are vital to success.

ready but all aspects of our life a subject to some elements of luck or chance and career development is no different. It doesn't detract from the hard work and planning you jobs being have put in. it's not an insult.

Luck/chance can be things like where/when you are born, your parents occupation and views on education, your ethnicity, social class....they can also be things like a chance conversation, meeting someone who inspired you, reading something about a career that interested you, when you choose to have children, if you can have children.....and so on.

I've worked extremely hard but I also know that chance has played a part along the way....I happen to have a PhD (in career development) and I'm supervising a student who has had to suspend hers because of the current situation with COVID 19. This is going to have an impact on her career but is completely out of her control. No amount of hard work could prevent this blip in her career development.

Soo many typos.....but you get my drift

Falacy
Sorry to gatecrash but what does Falacy do now - is it some kinda sales insurance time share ? Otherwise for the record i have never earned much thou at one point thought i might - but then the whole industry changed overnight and i was cast adrift .
Looking at adverts most HP jobs seem to involve negative skills - persuading people to invest funds in dodgy shares or managing ( ie calming down angry workers) staff in place that has excess profits.

@mochajoes @Wrinklesareenhancing Yes obviously women have more barriers. I don't think it's irrelevant the high earning jobs that men do though.

women are very underrepresented in high earning jobs
Women aren't going to become more represented in high paying jobs if they only set their sights on ones that women are doing My department at work is about 75% men. I'm a woman. It's a great place to work, as a woman. The problems we have in hiring is that not many women set off down the fairly long training path that would equip them with the skills we need. Consequently they miss out on really interesting, well-paying jobs that are also flexible and family friendly, precisely because the subjects they need to study to get to this point are seen as "something men do"

@mochajoes because our hard work and so called luck meant we could

So have your dc benefited from private school @OhTheRoses or was it just all their hard work?

In my experience, people who did very well in school mostly went on to have successful careers. Makes sense since they were obviously smart, driven and willing to work hard at school, that continued into work too.

@bobbikato I publish books on Amazon

My brother did appallingly at school, in hindsight we think he is probably dyslexic but no one talked about that back then - he made his career on focusing on working with his hobby and he's been incredibly successful. His story has ups and downs - screw ups, making bad decisions and then taking a risk and making the best of what he had and working long hard hours to achieve a great business. He can't string a written sentence together on email or WhatsApp but boy can he tell a story and have you absolutely crying with laughter...he's got brilliant people skills and is great at building relationships - his clients are loyal, they trust his work, repeat business is his bread and butter.
Schools value a narrow set of skills and interests - if you're lucky you'll fit, if not you have to make your luck elsewhere.

I'm in IT pre-sales working on large bids. I earn that plus bonuses for a 4 day week. Bonuses can be up to another 20k/year. I enjoy most of it but it's worth it for being able to work flexibly from home. I work on international deals so a lot of my calls etc are in the evening so I can schedule time to do school runs etc. It's well paid but I never really switch off as work emails are on my phone.

Also echo what bingoitsadingo .. I work in a very male dominated environment and have never found it an issue. I always encourage girls to study STEM subjects because IT can be so flexible with regards to work/life balance.

Poppi: do you think it is more important to have a high income or a job that you enjoy?
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It's possible to have both. Most people will gravitate towards a career/job that they feel will be fulfilling and at which they might excel, then try to earn as much money as they can in that field. I think we all want different things at different times in our lives.

£50kpa is not a great deal if you live in or around London and, with some exceptions, it takes a while to reach that salary.

obviously women have more barriers. I don't think it's irrelevant the high earning jobs that men do though

No of course not but the ‘ooh my DH does XYZ’ are. It adds nothing to women’s experience. It tells us nothing except the norm. It doesn’t demonstrate that it’s perfectly possible. We already know these jobs exist. They often exist with women doing them and NOT earning the same money.

I too work in a very male dominated area. I am often the only woman in a room of 20 or 30 (old) men. I have no issue with it, but many would. It’s unfortunate as it’s a flexible and well paid industry.

Women do not have more barriers.

Women often choose to stay at home with their children. That is not a barrier, it's a choice.

It’s a ‘choice’ mandated by social conditioning, socialisation, and patriarchy.

Though I must admit that I only encounter the phrase ‘We decided it would be best for the family if I became a SAHM’ on Mn. In real life, I don’t have a single friend who has stopped working after having a child.

Lawyer.
We often have these threads and finding out why some people earn X and others Y is always interesting.

I decided when I was about 14 to be a lawyer and I wanted to have a lot o children ( expensive - I have 5) and to buy an island when I grew up (I did and enjoyed it for 10 years) so those twin aims of a lot o children and a lucrative career were part of a plan. Eg I left all family ad childcare help and worked in London instead of NE England specially because the biggest firms that pay the highest pay are there; I took 2 weeks off for each baby and have worked full time without a break since 1983; I picked business law not lower paid areas of law etc etc.