Why is there so much hostility against teachers on MN?

[Bulb1976]

Is it jealousy? The daily teacher bashing threads on here are ridiculous.

Do you blame us for schools closing?

Right now I am a bit grumpy with teachers at my kids school because I am expected to be "business as usual"and home educate my children and the school have produced nothing really. A few links to websites, that's it.

I honestly haven't noticed that. The teachers at all three of my children's schools are doing an absolutely amazing job (DD's slightly over zealous). But, they're doing their bit keeping the school open for the key workers who need it.

It's because teachers moan so much despite geting 13 weeks holiday per year

Eh? I've got nothing but awe for teachers. Always have done. I begrudge them fuck all me.

It's because teachers moan so much despite geting 13 weeks holiday per year

As stated upthread-I never see teachers moaning, just defending themselves when they’re attacked for being workshy or whinging.

Of all the professions in the world, I most admire good teachers. But we have also all suffered at the hands of bad teachers and our children cannot get away from their teachers, which means the bad ones are really toxic.

That said, my daughter mostly had great teachers and I've no complains about my dgd's teachers, who have been wonderful.

Teachers I think get a good deal on here. Threads complaining about them get the poster put in their place. Now nurses and the nhs. And my job as a health visitor........ everyone’s being nice on here to us at the minute but give it a few months. Just remember I’m still going to my vulnerable families with no ppe cos there isn’t enough next time there’s a health visiting bashing thread please

You know teachers don't get paid for their holidays right?

Our children cannot get away from their teachers, which means the bad ones are really toxic.

You fail to mention “toxic” children that hit, swear and generally go out of their way to be obnoxious brats. The ones that can make a teacher’s life difficult.

They are very defensive and would never, ever give up their extended holidays. They live in a bit of a bubble, a lot of them are kind of institutionalised. They start their lives as children in school, they go to Uni, then back to school. They tend to mostly socialise with other teachers so it's the only world they know. They are often rather pompous 😂

Teachers have a certain way of interacting - they tend to be quite bossy with adults as they're used to spending their day giving orders.

I think some of it is jealousy for sure. Who wouldn't be jealous of 13 weeks leave per year 😂

Try being a GP.... Mnetters love to moan, bash and demand of us..

Most of the threads started by teachers on mn are moany ones.. And it gets peoples backs up.
Yes it is a really tough job, but there is long periods of not being in school, you don't work antisocial hours, you don't get moved around during training for years on end, it's reasonably well paid with a good pension.

I get why many Mnetters who either are working long antisocial hours for barely minimal wage get pissed off with the complaining of teachers.
I also get why others in professional jobs that work ridiculously long hours also get pissed off.

Again, people don’t realise that our working day doesn’t end when the school bell rings.

@theredjellybean do GP’s take their work home with them? By brother is a GP and I never see him doing so..

You fail to mention “toxic” children that hit, swear and generally go out of their way to be obnoxious brats. The ones that can make a teacher’s life difficult.

Because you didn't ask about them did you?

The teachers at my DDs school go home when school ends, I know because I've seen them leaving after the bell goes.
Maybe they go home at that time and work from home, that's nice.

Ex teacher here, but still in education. Loads of Mumsnetters are very supportive of teachers. Many, many threads have shown this. So that's my observation, at least.

@Bulb1976.. What time does your brother start work and what time does he finish?
I am in usually 14 hr days.. I cabt take work home so not able to have luxury of say sitting down with family fir dinner then taking my work to do with glass of wine in comfort of my own home.
If you read carefully I didn't say teachers have long holidays or short days... I said they have long periods not being in school.

Its exactly your type of defensive "teachers have it worse than anyone else" type reply that gets people's backs up.

It's because people tend to start threads when they have something negative to say.
For example, if you spend too much time on MN you'd end up convinced that texting a colleague is always an affair, that relationships aren't equitable, and that most men are manchildren who refuse to pull their weight.
If you spent time reading some teaching forums the you'd think all schools are terrible,any constructive criticism on a lesson is workplace bullying and senior leadership are always wankers.

Same for school threads here, nobody posts about the normal days, the fact their child likes their teacher, that they're quite happy. The people who post are the ones who have a genuine concern and are seeking genuine, helpful advice to resolve it, or they're the ones who are raging, fuming and incandescent with rage over the fact their child was given a detention for repeatedly ignoring instructions.

They are very defensive and would never, ever give up their extended holidays. They live in a bit of a bubble, a lot of them are kind of institutionalised. They start their lives as children in school, they go to Uni, then back to school. They tend to mostly socialise with other teachers so it's the only world they know.
It's this sort of thing that tends to get backs up.
Why would people want to work more than the 195 days they're contracted to plus some preparation time on top of that?
I'd gladly shorten some of the holidays if workload was more manageable during term time AND my pay was increased to cover the additional days working.

Of course, pointing that out then gets branded defensive so it's no win.

Seriously with the extended holidays? They are effectively not paid for them! Their wages reflect that

Are you actually moaning because you're not paid for 13 weeks of holiday?

Everyone's wages takes holidays into account. It's only teachers that get 13 weeks off and still aren't happy! Unbelievable really! I cannot imagine having a holiday every few weeks it must be fantastic - stop moaning!!!

Ok, then why don’t you guys go do a PGCE?

There’s a teacher shortage so go for it? Then you can have the holidays too :)

That said you will have to educate 30 students per class, some here have struggled being alone for a week with their own children so I imagine you’ll find teaching difficult.

Would you take unpaid leave in order to get the extra time off, Cherry?

Yep I would take unpaid leave like a shot, I'd love a bit more time with my DC.

Ahhh that old chestnut 'why don't you become a teacher'.

Well, as it is a specialised area I would need to do a degree first, not just a PGCE. Just because your world is one where everyone has a degree, doesn't mean everyone out here in the real world has one. I left school with GCSEs.

Plus, I love my job! I'm good at it, I enjoy it, I'm very experienced, and wouldn't dream of leaving. I'm very well paid. I work hard. I have no reason to leave.

Maybe it is time for you to look for other work though, if you're not happy with your lot.

Yep I would take unpaid leave like a shot, I'd love a bit more time with my DC

Great! Why don’t you sign up for a PGCE?