Police set up phone lines and online form to tell on neighbours

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8162725/Police-urge-Britons-spill-beans-neighbours-suspected-breaching-coronavirus-lockdown.html

hey will be asked if their report concerns rule-breaking by an individual, group, or business, on what street, and at what date and time - by the minute.

It comes as police forces across the country face charges of 'overzealousness' from ex-MPs, lawyers, and human-rights groups this week.

Wow...

Given the police don’t have enough manpower to, you know, police its surprising they’re asking for this to be reported.

@GreytExpectations yes! 🤣🤣

The police could be using this time to do some dawn roads. Or even mid morning raids.

At least the people they suspect will be in their houses.

am I the only one that is looking at the bigger picture and thinking, all those of you who say you didn't understand how Nazi Germany rose to power, just take a look around you right now?

No, you’re not the only one. Thankfully our police force is one of the sane ones.

The police know that busy bodies will be reporting people so they are trying to manage the reports.

Doesn't mean they will be doing anything about it though.

Do you think you it's permissable to get annoyed with a police officer if they touched your car with their gloves?

Considering you don't know where their gloves have been?

I have seen many of the videos from the USA of policeman who over react with deadly consequences - and I thank fuck our police aren't armed.

They do have a tough job to do - but they police with consent. They follow the laws of Parliament.

Some people need reminding though, there’s a retired couple I can see from my house who had a visitor yesterday, stand right up close to them chatting for ages then leave again.

He’d driven to see them.

This is a joke, right? Sorry some of these post are just stupid, I needed to check?

Policing by Consent

www.gov.uk/government/publications/policing-by-consent/definition-of-policing-by-consent

No, I’m serious. It’s not part of the lockdown plan.

Also I’m a hcp so you’d hope I’m not stupid.

One of the Policing principles

To recognise always the need for strict adherence to police-executive functions, and to refrain from even seeming to usurp the powers of the judiciary of avenging individuals or the State, and of authoritatively judging guilt and punishing the guilty

I was saying to my husband, they’ll be opening a phone line for busy bodies next. I mean, when people watch films from the Cold War, the second WW, that kind of thing, do they always identify with the jackbooting officer throwing their weight around?
When they watch the Handmaids Tale do they identify with the Aunts and the Commanders? So weird yet so typical of a certain type of English busy body who loves to have an opinion on what other people lawfully do with their time.
But the serious actual problem is that if the police carry on like this, it will encourage people to lie and disobey - at the very time that you want people to choose to follow the rules.

Also I’m a hcp so you’d hope I’m not stupid. Actually find more disturbing - you should be better educated.

This frightens me way more than the virus. Way more

@Fluffycloudland77 What I mean is - you feel you should be able to report a person contact - have you any idea how lonely being old is at the moment - did you know who he was, his importance to the couple?

I really fear for my parents atm - not that they die from CV19 but that their last 6 months of live are devoid of meaningful human contact. They are 87 years old - they are in pain, human contact is the only pleasure they have in life and people are thing of grassing on them - I think they'd rather take their chances - but that choice has been taken from them - I really worry about their situation - they have all the basics - but what life is that?

Their breaking the terms of the lockdown, no social distancing and all three are of an age to die if they get corona.

How am I uneducated?. The lockdown clearly states no social visits to other households.

This is why the lockdown won’t work, people aren’t actually adhering to it. It’s human nature to look for the loophole but in a situation like this you just can’t.

Some people need reminding though, there’s a retired couple I can see from my house who had a visitor yesterday, stand right up close to them chatting for ages then leave again.

Dear God... this is so depressing. So horrible. You have no clue what was going on in that scenario... but still feel the need to judge.

When they watch the Handmaids Tale do they identify with the Aunts and the Commanders?

I think they're the sort who wouldn't watch it because it's just so unrealistic. Or who would automatically imagine themselves as being on the 'right side' because they automatically align themselves with popular opinion.

He’s not going to be important for long if their all dead.

@Fluffycloudland77 because a person needs more than the basics to live - you should know this!

So they get a £30/£60 fine and she gets a criminal record for assault. That doesn't sound much like thinking to me.

Haha. She'll be fine

@Fespital thank you

but that their last 6 months of live are devoid of meaningful human contact.

This is my fear. That too many people will suffer because they've been told that if they dare to enjoy themselves and seek that contact and comfort they are a drain on the NHS. Why don't their lives matter too? I'm so sorry mooboy, I'm worrying the same about my ILs. They've had such hard lives and their only grandson has brought them such joy in their later lives, I just hope they can see him soon but can totally understand anyone who struggles with this situation.

Right now people need to stay apart to live. If you catch corona and require hospital treatment you are risking the lives of the staff in the hospital. The people who aren’t part of the solution are part of the problem.

We are down to needing to live on the basics now. It’s a temporary situation but if people don’t stop breaking the rules more are going to die.

It’s not about thriving it’s about surviving.

@LotsaDo this weekend my sister visited them, she brought them great joy, their cleaner has left temporarily and their amazingly lovely carers no longer talk to them because they have been given 3 face makes only to be used if they suspect CV19. What a fucking miserable life - even for 3 months - my Dad is waiting to die - he just needs the excuse. My brother who is disabled visited them today - he sat in his car while they chatted to him, their life is really crap.

@Fluffycloudland77 HCP professional's lives are at risk because the NHS was woefully under-funded for a decade due to needless austerity and the Gov failed to prepare for enough PPE for the staff because they stupidly delayed things and oops they missed an EU deadline on securing respirators. Blame the victims - miserable old folk if you want but imo this sits squarely with the Tory Government - they fucked up!