AIBU to think Europe should let refugees in

[Gin96]

Surely Europe has room for these people?

www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/world-news/eu-accuses-turkey-of-using-desperate-migrants-for-political-purposes/07/03/

I think we should be making the homeless and hungry in the UK a priority before helping anyone else.
That comment probably makes me a racist nazi in the eyes of some. @Gobbycop

The issue I have with this, is you, and plenty others who share this view, say this from the safety of behind your computer screens. If you were actually face to face with someone from a war torn country and a homeless person from the UK. Would you really say sorry mate I’m sending you back to your death because the person standing next to you just happened to be born here which was completely out of his control btw. It’s batshit and I don’t believe many could do that. Even more so if that was a child. If you could do that, you are pretty evil.

Who are we to take people lives into our own hands, where we are born is absolutely a genetic accident! Yet because we are born here we have more ‘rights’ to life.. we don’t own the Earth.

@BigFatLiar no, some people have attempted to interpret the Geneva convention in this way but UK case law makes clear that a claim for asylum here does not depend on whether you passed through another “safe” country en route. It’s an EU regulation which currently allows us to send people back to eg France, but as of next year of course this won’t apply

Everywhere should. These are people!

How do you expect an ordinary teacher or admin clerk to cobble together an army capable of actually making an impact with no training or weapons?

Come on now you don't think he's actually thought about that stuff so you? I know a lot of ex military who think the same. That because they chose to join the army that all young men should do the same. Like they're less of a man if they don't want to. Women can fight too but there's never any suggestion that young women should stay and fight. Id never want my sons to join up to the army. I've seen what it does to people mentally and physically. Not would i leave them behind to "fight" if war broke out while the rest of us ran for safety. They'd damn right be coming with me.

It’ll be great to get all these economic migrants though won’t it? They are not EU citizens and we have jobs need filled, they are prepared to endure extreme hardship to get here so they are definitely the people we want. They haven’t been born in exile so they will have skills and qualifications which UK businesses will pay handsomely for. Can’t see the problem myself.
Unless they are refugees and in which case Dunkirk spirit will welcome them open arms as we have always fought the vicious dictators of the world .....

We’ve no idea how lucky we are to live on an island on the edge of a continent.

What is the answer, should each country be given a quota to take refugees? What if refugees only want to go to certain countries say UK and Germany, should they have a choice where they can go? Most asylum seeker/refugee interviewed wanted to go to Germany,

Turkey is small - both compared to where I live and in proportion to it's population. Just because it's bigger than the UK does not mean it is not small. The fact that they received funding is a moot point. Other countries need to take on refugees.

www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/19/canada-now-leads-the-world-in-refugee-resettlement-surpassing-the-u-s/

www.independent.co.uk/voices/think-syrian-refugees-should-take-up-arms-and-sort-out-their-own-country-you-need-this-pub-brawl-a6862526.html?amp

And the 'have to claim asylum in first safe country' is not true, it is not UN legislation. The EU did introduce the Dublin fullfact.org/immigration/refugees-first-safe-country/

A more in depth explanation www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/libertycentral/2010/sep/21/claim-asylum-uk-legal-position

Finally, why are most refugees men? www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/five-explanations-to-why-the-majority-of-refugees/

We take a ridiculously low amount of refugees for a country that thinks it's a world leader. It's shameful in my opinion.

(Sorry about the long links, I can't work out how to do short ones on the app)

If you were actually face to face with someone from a war torn country and a homeless person from the UK. Would you really say sorry mate I’m sending you back to your death because the person standing next to you just happened to be born here which was completely out of his control btw.

43Helpme1010 - so what do you do? You have one bed to give away, one job , one Dr place ... homeless person will also die if not helped. They do have some estranged family in this country. They speak the language and are familiar with our society and customs.
While the refugee needs to learn the language, wants to sent for his family, is unfamiliar with our customs, finds it impossible to practice their own ....

For simplicity, both have no education but have worked for a brief period in a similar position like a warehouse or factory setting. They are of similar age. Both are ready to turn their lives around.

Who are you going to give this bed?

womanistaken i didnt say our hospitals are full of migrants. If we dont have the money to bulid more hospitals or staff them we do not have the money to house or feed migrants

I think we should be doing everything we can to help these people in they're own country. What's the point in having little pockets of good all over the world for only those able enough to take the risks to get to it.

I know that's easier said than done :(

Hospitals are full of ‘migrants’ they are the DRs nurses cleaners etc

They are perfectly safe in Turkey. One of the main fears behind Brexit was that the EU were going to allow Turkey in. Which they will. But we will be long gone by then.

Not to the U.K., but I can’t speak for other countries. We have no housing for the people we already have here. And it’s ok posters saying we should build more, but that’s not something that’s going to happen immediately short term to accommodate these people, same for schools and the NHS. These services are already at breaking point and it would be madness to accept immigrants into the current situation. People who merrily state we just have to distribute our wealth and increase taxes to invest in housing, nhs etc are generally those who have their big house, kids go to private or Ofsted outstanding schools and have private medical insurance so don’t have a clue how difficult it would be for those of us who depend on private rentals, and who can’t get our DCs into decent schools or get appointments at our local gp. It’s a sad situation but one we can’t/shouldn’t help with.

Humans are innately tribal. That’s what evolution favoured over millions of years. We have always competed with other tribes for access to resources and to protect the resources we deem to be ours. This is why nationalism comes back to wreak havoc again and again and again throughout history. That is humanity’s natural state, not welcoming and opening the gates to all and sundry, or not building the fences in the first place. It takes a lot of effort and often a specific set of circumstances for humans to overcome suspicion, protectiveness, etc. Sometimes we do manage it, especially if there is an economic or some other advantage - but it rarely lasts for long, especially if the people inside the fence feel threatened financially, culturally, etc. by the people outside the fence. Just being of the same species («we’re all just people!!») isn’t enough to overcome this.

Not sure what's the solution but it's hypocritical of the EU to want to leave Turkey to deal with all the refugees, who end up stuck in unsafe and unhealthy camps.

Women and children only.
Prepubertal children only. No 25 year old man "children".

No men, full stop. Refuge is intended to be temporary, so the intention should be to reunite families at home when the war ends.

Absolutely no refugees during a pandemic. We're going to struggle to maintain our own society in the next 12 - 18 months and should focus on that. It would be very risky to bring in a lot of new people from affected areas.

@Ylvamoon

I unfortunately don’t have the answer to all the worlds problems and the likelihood of being in that exact scenario is slim to none but my starting point certainly wouldn’t be.. where they were born. It’d purely be who’s most in need.

@Livelovebehappy I don’t think you’ll find it’s generally the well off who want wealth redistribution, quite the opposite! For the record I would never use private schooling, use the nhs not private healthcare so well aware of the pressures on our public services but that doesn’t mean I can’t see that those pressures are because of political choices not lack of money.

@PicsInRed

But what happened to women want equal rights ??

In that case men AND women should stay and fight and we should house the children no??

I honestly wish we could but we have enough homeless and families living in poverty as it is.

We need to take care of our own before we start letting others in.

It’s heartbreaking what’s happening and I really wish we could help, but we can’t afford to

Yes, of course we should. Humanity shouldn’t have borders.

@Livelovebehappy

I don’t have a big house or use private schooling or healthcare. Far from it. But yes I ‘merrily’ think that we should increase taxes to enhance public services INCLUDING social housing so fewer people are mugged off by greedy private landlords.

We are a wealthy, privileged county. As a nation we spend millions every day on luxuries. We can afford to do more as a county but it would mean that having less on an individual level and people can’t stand that thought.

@CherryPavlova Humanity shouldn’t have borders.

This x1000

27Helpme1010- so who is most in need? Refuge or homeless person?