AIBU about transgender person taking legal action against NHS for allowing her to transition? [[title edited by MNHQ on OP's behalf]]

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A 23 year old is taking legal action against the NHS for giving her treatment to transition to male as a teenager. She has since decided to live as a female and is taking legal action against the NHS as they should have 'challenged her' more when she wanted to transition rather than giving her the treatment.

The NHS can't do right for doing wrong here. Cash strapped to the point of collapse and being sued for giving someone the treatment they asked for. I despair.

AIBU or is this absolutely ludicrous?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51676020
from MNHQ - this title and OP originally said the person concerned was suing the NHS. They are in fact just taking legal action. The OP has asked us to make this clear but you may find some of the early posts reflect the words in the original title

I support Keira doing this, just as I would support anyone who had had a damaging, life changing treatment pushed onto them as the solution to their problem.

Keira absolutely won't be the last, in fact this will only be the beginning. This is exactly what happens when you go into schools and tell children that they can change their sex. This is the result.

And like a PP said, when it all does come properly tumbling down, I hope its Mermaids they go for rather than the NHS.

The report says "taking legal action against an NHS gender clinic", DuLANGMondeFOREVER is that different from suing?

Yes. The legal action is a judicial review.

I hope she is successful.
Nobody knows the long term effects of puberty blockers. The NHS haven't followed those who stop taking them either. These are being given to 12 year olds. If they impact brain development are 16 year olds on them really able to consent to 'partially reversible' cross sex hormones?
As for parents stopping their child, the culture of positive affirmation and 'advice' from 'support' organisations would lead you to think any questioning results in social services intervention or a dead child.

Anyway, whatever challenge she is making in the long run this may well help the NHS to provide better care in the future for other young people.

The challenge is coming from young people like Keira, parents & medical professionals who have all identified serious Safeguarding failures.

It is a children's service.

If this were a paediatric oncology or cardiac NHS service would people view its responsibilities differently?

Mermaids need to be sued out of existence. They are a disgraceful organisation; there shouldn't be room for them and their ilk in a civilised society. Weak as water MPs like the idiot Miller should be removed from any office and pushed to the bottom where they belong.

She is not seeking money. She is seeking a legal review of the decisions made.

She had her breasts removed for Gods sake. By all means encourage someone to live as a man until the age of 18 and then review how they feel about fully transitioning, but to me this is just awful
She can go back to being a woman but she'll never be the same

is that different from suing?

Yes. It’s a judicial review. Keira and her coapplicants are asking the judge to look at GIDs to see if the law is being properly applied..

www.judiciary.uk/you-and-the-judiciary/judicial-review/

There is no compensation in it for Keira or anyone else.

By all means encourage someone to live as a man until the age of 18 and then review how they feel about fully transitioning, but to me this is just awful

Why would anyone encourage a female child that she could live as an adult male?

Humans cannot change sex or 'transition' to become the opposite sex.

Encouraging children that they need to conform to sexist stereotypes in order to 'live as a woman/man' is right at the heart of the problem.

There need to be a legal case won by an individual, with large damages awarded.

Then the liability insurers will act and ensure that multiple safeguards are put in place. And all this experimental treatment on children and Yp will stop.

Because this comes down to money and power. That’s what motivates all the people who gain in the trans industry.

Meanwhile the patients and their families are left to pick up the pieces.

This article has video of Keira, telling her own story. It also explains a bit about the court process.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51676020

It’s a judicial review.

In other words, it's a "Stop, wait a minute, is this legal? Should this be legal?" request for proper scrutiny.

Long long long overdue.

I don't care if I get flamed at all. I have an opinion so will say it.
I hope the NHS don't pay a penny.
She was 16, they done 3 assessments where she mentioned on numerous occasions she was suicidal living as a woman. They gave her something they BELIEVED which she let them believe would better her life.
She had her breast chopped off at 20. That's a young adult. Not a teenager. By this point she had been transitioning to a male for 4 years.
It is no one fault she has had a change of heart but no one told her to get her breasts removed at 20 (she must have felt pretty confident about it then).
NHS aren't to blame her. Just trying to get some cash for her own mistake.

There need to be a legal case won by an individual, with large damages awarded.

If the judicial review finds that the law has been improperly applied, the negligence cases will likely follow. I’d like to see Mermaids and Stonewall paying compensation - they are lobbying the NHS to act politically rather than medically.

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This all goes to show that people are not born into the wrong body - they have psychological problems and should be helped accordingly.

You cannot keep lopping bits off and sticking them back on again just because you keep changing your mind.

I hope the NHS don't pay a penny.

SHE IS NOT SUING FFS!!!!!

I don't care if I get flamed at all. I have an opinion so will say it.
I hope the NHS don't pay a penny.

THIS ISN’T A COMPENSATION CLAIM! KEIRA IS NOT SUING THE NHS!

Your opinion is based on a total misunderstanding of the facts.

Just trying to get some cash for her own mistake.

Even though she's not.

Because SHE'S NOT SUING THE NHS.

She's asking for judicial review. That's completely different.

(Just wanted to help DuLang out).

I wish the word "transition" would be dropped.

No human transitions from male to female or vice versa.

Some people go to extreme lengths to make their body look more like the opposite sex and less like their actual sex.

Mastectomies for women, silicone breast implants for men, hormones to gain/reduce facial hair etc., jawbone shaving for men, castration for men, hysterectomies for women.

Some things cannot change. Height. Bone mass. Hand size. Angles of arms and pelvis. DNA. What hormones make the body healthy.

All over the media children are told people can and have transitioned to the opposite sex. This is a dangerous lie.

Just trying to get some cash for her own mistake.

NO SHES NOT. At least get your facts straight before making bollocks statements like that.

OP can I strongly suggest you ask MN to edit your post title given its inaccuracy.

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That's what I don't understand.

At what age will someone be considered able to consent to medical treatment? Apparently even at 20 some are saying she shouldn't have been able to consent, so what age would it be ok? Is it just for this that drs should be assuming patients don't know their own minds, or for all medical treatment?

I wonder what the unintended consequences of this are going to be?

NHS are in a pretty impossible position; young people and parents pushing for this, citing intolerable mental health distress or suicidal thoughts, against the obvious risks. Damned if they do, damned if they don't. Hugely not helped by Mermaids, Stonewall etc. pushing for these 'rights'.
Problem is, if the NHS is sensible (in my view) and only offers assessment, therapy, and support with early social transition up to age 18, any suicides/self-harm will be blamed on those services and the practitioners in them.
So unless guidance is concrete (ie you can't medically transition until a certain age), the staff in those services are a bit stuffed.
A lot of activists are driving this 'right'; it appears to me idiotic when young people are trying out/discovering identities, to do anything radical for them.
But all the GRA type stuff is about the absolute right to unimpeded, easier medical services and thus transition.
I feel very sorry for the staff dealing with this crap every day and - as in mental health services - being blamed either way.

(Just wanted to help DuLang out).

Thanks. I’m starting to feel like Richard Herring on International Women’s Day