To detest the saying "I'd have ripped them a new one"

[MarthasGinYard]

When talking in anger or annoyance about someone.

I saw today, the horrific saying in full...."I'd have ripped them a new arse hole"

I find this an extremely grim expression.

Anyone else hate this one? or should I hoik up my Hyacinth Bucket twinset and try to be more accepting of this unsavoury phrase?

@Cal72

I think you’re getting confused. Your Reddit link shows evidence that the phrase was used as far back as the 1960s, and then you’re using studies from the last ten years to show that it must originate from very specific gang violence. The two aren’t compatible - unless you have evidence that people were inflicting intentional rectal injury on each other in the 1960s?

But no, it’s not a nice phrase. I don’t like it and I don’t use it.

I was in a meeting many years ago when one of the managers threatened to ‘rip someone’s tits off’! There were multiple complaints made to the directors. To this day it’s one of thy e nastiest and most aggressive things I’ve ever heard.

Truth

That's vile

@Cal72 yes, I agree you've got yourself mixed up here. Two separate things, as Tibia says.

@Cal72 plus the study you linked to just now says that patients with rectal injury were excluded from the study.

Yanbu I can't stand the phrase smashed it !! It refers to footballers gang rape activities

Freeing

That is also vile

I hate any violent phrase and particularly sexual violence. Horrible. “There’s no such thing as a joke”

Never heard of any of the three sayings in this thread. They are all utterly repulsive.

I remember watching a film years ago first time I heard the phrase 'blowing smoke up his ass' was like, what? Still not quite sure what it means

It means to tell the person what they want to hear,just to placate them and shut them up.

I hate the 'rip them a new one ' expression ,it's revolting and seen on MN a lot.

I’m pretty sure most people who use it are just using a turn of phrase without any deep thought as to the etymology.

A few years ago I would have been at this. But the increase in violence against women and minority ethnic people makes me think- why normalise these things through language? When I was in school people used the words gay, retard etc all the time as insults. We know that this is abhorrent now. Why can't we curtail our use of violent or graphic language.

Of course, "I'm going to tear xxx a new arsehole" is idle chat. But it dehumanises people a little bit at a time for the person saying it and the people hearing it.

@OwlBeThere perhaps people should give a little more thought to their words? This phrase is still OTT and violent even if you don't look at the historical implications.

By the way, I dislike it mainly because I think people who say it are likely to be posturing bullshitters. No you wouldn't have ripped him a new arsehole - you'd have tutted, at best.

@itgoingtibiak
@jususinthecabbagevan

No, not confused at all. The Reddit link refers to the fact this was first referenced in the 60s and hypothesised military originals maybe from the Vietnam war. Management of these injuries developed during the Vietnam war “ Traditionally, rectal trauma had been managed with the principle of the four Ds: divert, drain, direct repair, and distal washout [38]. These management principles were developed during the Vietnam War and demonstrated improved survival when compared to prior wartime management.” link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40719-014-0006-3 and www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1094967

Before then these injuries killed people.

Since then (ie more recently) gangs have targeted their attacks to cause these specific injuries - to damage the bowel or rectum - so permanent colostomy is needed. Hence the term rip a new arsehole has increased in use over time but is thought to have originated during the vietnam war. So current use does refer to violent assaults.

Do you have a more probably explanation? And do you not find the term offensive?

I don’t like when people write or say they are “fucked off” about something. So, so vulgar.

And I see all the time on here

'I'm so pissed at my DP' etc

Never hear this in RL either

It's horrible. I hate "boils my piss" as well.

@Cal72... It's a theory you invented. That's all. Nobody knows when/where it originated. Nobody knows whether use of the term has increased as a result of gang violence. There is no evidence that gang members themselves use that term. I sincerely doubt that the keyboard warriors who use it on MN are flashing gang signs at each other across the deli counter in Waitrose.

Tbh I think it's just that some people heard it somewhere (TV probably), thought, 'Oooh, that sounds pretty badass' and started using it themselves. Then other people copied them, and other people copied them. Reality is never as exciting as you want it to be. If it's boring, it's probably true.

Offensive.. Not especially. I just find the term annoying and a bit juvenile.

To be clear - yes, it clearly refers to inflicting serious injury on someone. But there's no evidence to support anything else you've said, it's all pure conjecture.

And Cal.... is your name Barry?

YANBU I hate the 'ripping someone a new one' phrase (only ever heard it on here though) and I'm not mad on 'boils my piss'. However DH and I do say 'well that pissed on your/my/their chips' to each other.

I'll admit I have used the phrase many times when in discussion of birth and resulting issues with friends. I tore badly with ds1 and he did rip me a new one, or at least it felt like it.

As for other phrases I do have a like for 'don't spit on my cupcake and tell me it's frosting' (which is definitely American) has come in handy a few times.

Maybe it has something to do with 'full of pi's and vinegar' so in this context they are interchangeable.

I always thought it was in the context of corporal punishment ie being beaten so badly that it broke the skin.

Mainly because it seems to be used in a disciplinary context most often, IME. For example "I would never have spoken to my dad like that, he would have torn me a new one"