To detest the saying "I'd have ripped them a new one"

[MarthasGinYard]

When talking in anger or annoyance about someone.

I saw today, the horrific saying in full...."I'd have ripped them a new arse hole"

I find this an extremely grim expression.

Anyone else hate this one? or should I hoik up my Hyacinth Bucket twinset and try to be more accepting of this unsavoury phrase?

'Better than the twee shit some posters on here say'

Do you say it Scun?

'blowing smoke up one's skirt"

Never heard that! Is that USA/UK/ which bit of UK?

Trying to think of anything funny we say round here.

Oh I know? If someone hits someone, usually in a pub type situation, local phrasing could go ' he twatted him'.

Twat means the usual round here as well so God knows where that came from! I said it in an old job one and everyone was wtf, even though they all only came from about 30 miles away!

I’ve heard of blowing sunshine up someone’s skirt but I don’t understand it.

FrogsFrogs - "blowing smoke up your skirt" is US midwest (and possibly south), from my experience - heard from work colleagues who didn't want to say "blowing smoke up your ass/arse" in the office. The specific person I remember saying it was from Missouri and raised Mormon, and had a few polite words for work use - heck instead of hell, darn instead of damn, and so on.

I don’t think the blowing smoke phase works with an English accent you need to say “ass” in an American way when we say it it comes out as “arse” and just doesn’t work

It’s a disgusting phrase. Originates in gang culture where it’s become common for victims to be deliberately stabbed in the rectum. As a result they are likely to need a colostomy bag for life - ie ‘a new arsehole’. Intended to cause maximum lifelong humiliation.

Always appalled anyone would use it as a casual term to mean they are mildly irritated.

Not directly connected but also an increasing trend in young women suffering anal injuries attempting to permit sex as viewed in porn - which young men increasingly think is ‘normal’ - in some cases resulting in rectal injuries so severe the young woman has needed a colostomy. Young men need to be educated about these dangers so they don’t believe they are entitled to pressure naive young women into dangerous situations. Ignorance is no excuse.

Cal

That's horrific, I wondered where on Earth it originated from.

I honestly have never seen or heard this before

But it is absolutely awful

Indeed. It beggars belief.

It’s also known a ‘bagging’ - as in you will need a colostomy bag.

See www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7795941/Medics-reveal-humiliating-new-trend-gang-knife-attacks.html

Lots of sources online about it. Just happened to be Daily Fail I found!

And awfully these sorts of incidents www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6595871/Online-porn-horror-Girl-16-forced-colostomy-bag-attempting-group-anal-sex.html

Awful.

Yes, it irritates me that people blithely trot it out with apparently no understanding that they are using an expression that jokily references anal rape/rectal injury.

It’s a horrible phrase, and quite revealing about the people who use it, even if only figuratively.

And Squit I totally agree about “rapey” - it’s trivialising and sounds sort of familiar and jolly; almost making out that rape is fun or something. Awful word.

Was going to add... I’ve only ever heard it on here!

I've never heard anyone use this ever. I would guess its possibly Australian but that is based on people on neighbours saying ripper. So not really the same.

Absolutely. I thought the use of the word ‘gay’ to mean rubbish or useless was appalling enough. What’s wrong with just saying something is rubbish? Why add homophobia?

But then along came ‘rip him/her a new one’. Meaning quite literally that I’m so annoyed I could gladly stab him/her in the rectum or sexually assault him/her so violently they will need surgical repair and a colostomy. Rather than just saying I was a bit annoyed and wanted to tell him/her off. It’s really not that difficult to avoid being extraordinarily offensive when you think about it......

#wordsmatter

Truly shocking

Seems many of us have only heard it on here.

Next time I see it used I think I'm going to bite.

Yes the phrase ‘rip into him/her’ or ‘tear into him/her’ is quite different. Meaning tear someone to pieces/tear strips off them. That’s decades old if not more.

But the tear a new one, rip a new arsehole etc it specific to rectal damage and colostomy. Hence an evolution of language that could do with being nipped in the bud. But it’s come from a familiar phrase so people aren’t thinking about the literal meaning or why it’s arisen.

But actually, it matters.

I think this phrase is quite old actually and nothing to do with 'bagging' or gang culture. It's not to be taken literally. People say it if they're going to receive / give someone a bollocking. Which doesn't literally mean..oh nevermind.

And “I shat myself.”

Just horrible.

This phrase has been around for absolutely ages. I think the phrase predates the practice of stabbing someone's rectum, what a load of rubbish.

Well to be fair, it actually doesn't, because the first rectal stabbing would have taken place thousands of years ago.

Where is this place where no one understands 'twatted' when used in that context?

These are generic slang terms, not regional I'm sure!

They were from Essex!

They said, do you know what twat means and I said, yeees, but in this case it means hitting someone. I don't think they were winding me up!

Maybe they mingled with posher people than me or something..

I dislike it. Mostly because it is a massive exaggeration rather han the vulgarity.

Did anyone ever actually come back to life from the bum smoke?

Someone on Reddit enquired about this a few years ago.

“Origin of the phrase "tear [subj.] a new one"?
Question
Does anyone know anything about the origin or early appearances of the phrase "tear/rip [subject] a new one/*sshole"?
I wouldn't be at all surprised if it originated as military slang, but I can't find any info on possible origins. I appreciate any help!”
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edited 3 years ago
I spent some time with this on Google Books Advanced Book Search, using a variety of permutations ("tear/tore; him/me/you").
The two earliest citations are both from 1965 (more recent than I expected). One is in Ken Kesey's classic Sometimes a Great Notion, and the other is in Elliott Chaze's novel about the civil rights movement, Tiger in the Honeysuckle.
Publication usage dipped sharply in the early '70s (the Nixon administration) and most of the '80s (the Reagan administration), according to the Google Ngram Viewer.”

The reason I think it’s distinct to the more generic tear a strip off, tear into, rip into etc is the ‘new one’ , ‘new asshole’ phrase. If not referring to causing a need for surgery, what new one would there be?

Attempts at surgical stomps date back hundreds of years but were largely unsuccessful until the 1950s. They happened quite a bit during the Vietnam war (77 cases written up in medical journals) and so the above may have some truth.

It’s only in the last 2-3 years I’ve specifically heard rip a new one / new asshole as opposed to rip into/ tear strips off.

And of course most people are probably repeating it mindlessly. But if the origins are military and the recent increase is because surgeons in trauma centres are saying this is increasing then people should think about dropping it as a phrase. Why not?