Are you still pro-Brexit?

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Brexit will have soon cost the UK more than all its payments to the EU over the past 47 years put together

www.businessinsider.com/brexit-will-cost-uk-more-than-total-payments-to-eu-2020-1?fbclid=IwAR3E3Xc8p0bgNF06hCJZzr61Ak-6VetNbFv5vrfsV041nPvDZeFSCnjHcdg&r=US&IR=T

"Petrol & diesel has reduced"

Which is because corona virus has had a massive impact on demand. Nothing to do with brexit, and Oil is one commodity that, pricewise at least, will probably not be hugely impacted by brexit anyway.

Next straw to clutch at please.

Avg UK Diesel litre price in june 2016 was £1.11, last month was £1.32, its dropped back a bit in Feb, petrol lags by a 2 or 3p.

Non EU immigration last year was a record high of 220k, set to rise further this year.
Thought folk voted for less migration? looks like you are not getting that or anything else.

Start listening to the indigenous population.. I don’t think you know what indigenous means.

Regarding workplace rights. Without EU protection we could well be on a slippery slope to US style rights. That is, no right to maternity leave. Employers able to fire at will. People working although they are seriously ill. No sick pay. No holiday pay. Being off work because you are in hospital, and being fired on your return. Stuff like that.

Yes.
I voted leave sadly, rather than gladly, but yes, I still think it is the correct choice.

I am not racist, anti-immigration or anti-Europe. I wish it had stayed as a trading bloc, rather than moving to closer political integration.

Pound's not too happy after Goves speech this morning........

www.poundsterlinglive.com/gbp-live-today/12859-pound-sterling-lags-euro-and-safe-havens-as-government-prepares-negotiating-strategy

A lot of people will wake up to reality if as it now looks like, the UK leaves with a no deal.

No deal will be a disaster for the nation.

"No deal will be a disaster for the nation."

Yup. Brexiters don't care though because reasons.

Johnson will cave in at the last moment, just as he did over a border in the Irish sea to get his Oven Ready Deal.

I am not racist, anti-immigration or anti-Europe. I wish it had stayed as a trading bloc, rather than moving to closer political integration

...and that primarily what the EU still is.
but in order to get the best possible trading conditions - from manufacturing to financial services to tourism, some political integration is required.
Countries still set almost all their own laws and rules, certainly all the ones that affect me and my family/community.

Well, all those voting brexit because of immigration not being capped had better look at the latest figures, it's at the highest level ever.
and not set to lower anytime soon. I'm not linking as it was in the mail online, saw the headline but refuse to click.
Maybe other media are reporting it, I'm searching.

def. yes.

Well, all those voting brexit because of immigration not being capped had better look at the latest figures, it's at the highest level ever

Yay! Isn't it great. More pressure on housing, the NHS, school places, more traffic, more pollution but as long as we have endless growth to fulfil the voracious appetite for profit of the vulture capitalists and 1%ers that is all that matters.

The selection of Ursula Van Der Leyen as President of the European Commission neatly summarises why I think the EU is failing. She wasn't wanted by any EU leaders, even Angela Merkle whose cabinet she'd served in didn't back her. She is notorious in Germany for incompetence. She was chosen (not by voters obviously) because she was the 4th choice compromise candidate. People across Europe are poorer for being in the EU, it stifles innovation. It's foreign policy is hopeless, the idea that there could be an EU army is a joke, if you cobble together underfunded and underperforming armies into an unwieldy bureaucracy the result is not something I'd want protecting me.

As to why it will implode, there are so many to choose from. The euro. Italian bad debt situation. That it has been the slowest growing global economy since the 80s. Nothing in the ECB armoury (interest rates already negative) to deal with a global economic slowdown, very likely with coronavirus which makes stagflation a real danger. The complete inability to deal with the loss of UK contributions. High umployment. Lack of democractic accountability which has led to a rise in far right/left political parties. Any of those could see another country leaving either the EU or the Euro.

Well, all those voting brexit because of immigration not being capped had better look at the latest figures, it's at the highest level ever and not set to lower anytime soon. I'm not linking as it was in the mail online, saw the headline but refuse to click.

I clicked - the article confirms that international students bump up the figures. We have a large number of Chinese students who spend a fortune on university tuition fees and other UK goods and services;

"Most non-EU migrants (51 per cent, 165,000) were international students and just an estimated 27 per cent (88,000) who were moving to the UK long-term said they were coming for work, the figures suggested."

"Around 15 per cent (50,000) moved to the country for family reasons, including those accompanying someone on a work or study visa."

Honestly, this is so ducking tedious. Virtually nothing has happened or been decided yet, (unless you count house prices finally moving up again and the pound getting stronger) so why on earth do you think that anyone who was committed to Brexit before might have changed their mind now?

Come back and ask us in a year’s time when there might actually be something worth talking about.

Besides which, only the most stupid of people will not understand that the first couple of years might be tricky while we find our feet.

Fucking, not ducking. Damned prudish autocorrect.

I don’t think you know what indigenous means.

I know exactly what it means and exactly how much academic ink has been spilt, is regularly spilt, on debating who it covers in these islands. I used it because it often seems that the extreme left believe people from foreign lands should have more rights to come here than those already here have to make a living. I won't accept that.

Johnson and walking away from trade deals... twit. I hope it is posturing for position rather than a real hope. The trouble is I don't think a lot of Europe does UK and USA style posturing. What they say is what they will actually do - and they will hold the UK to the same.

Where does clavinova live ? Just wondered.....

Not Russia. South East England - West London/Surrey.

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Besides which, only the most stupid of people will not understand that the first couple of years might be tricky while we find our feet

I love this sort of thing, because what it really means is "whilst others lose their jobs, can't pay rent or mortgages but i'm retired on an index linked pension so it's worth it"

I know exactly what it means and exactly how much academic ink has been spilt, is regularly spilt, on debating who it covers in these islands

I don't think you do at all... it covers few if any no one in the UK.

Indigenous populations are communities that live within, or are attached to, geographically distinct traditional habitats or ancestral territories, and who identify themselves as being part of a distinct cultural group, descended from groups present in the area before modern states were created and current borders

Maggie Thatcher designed & signed up to the SM and FOM, she can hardly be described as from the extreme left....

Yes, as I said there is a lot of academic debate about who it covers.

It's largely irrelevant. We cannot adequately house and feed the population already here. The population already here has basic human needs which cannot be met by our current socioeconomic system, and will not be met as that system breaks down further under multiple pressures. Still people bang on about importing yet more people in the name of useless bloody ideologies. I don't care about your ideologies. I'll ask again, what is the maximum population you want to see on this island, and where is the grand plan for feeding and housing everyone?

So, eight pages and not a single poster has mentioned the consequences for the peace (which means people not being MURDERED incase anyone didn't know) in NI.

Shame on us all.

Which workplace rights has the EU given us?

I am pretty shocked that someone would not know that pretty much all our workers rights come from the EU.

And we will probably be kissing goodbye to them in the future.

Johnson will cave over trade negotiations, the same way he caved over NI. There is some amusement in watching how people pretend he didn't and wouldn't.

[[https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/24/eu-workers-rights-capital-multinationals Don’t be fooled – the EU is no defender of workers’ rights
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"The notion that only Brussels stands in the way of a barrage of deregulation betrays not just a misunderstanding of the way the EU operates but also a deep and irrational pessimism on the left, a belief that the Conservatives will be in power for ever no matter what they do. The left doesn’t need the EU to fight its battles..."