Are you still pro-Brexit?

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Brexit will have soon cost the UK more than all its payments to the EU over the past 47 years put together

www.businessinsider.com/brexit-will-cost-uk-more-than-total-payments-to-eu-2020-1?fbclid=IwAR3E3Xc8p0bgNF06hCJZzr61Ak-6VetNbFv5vrfsV041nPvDZeFSCnjHcdg&r=US&IR=T

Keep squirming - you originally linked the new visa info to the planned Cancer centre and then assumed it would apply equally to the planned studio development.

Actually I didn't - I wasn't thinking that far ahead - easy enough to look over the thread to follow my line of thinking. Anyway - I'm not squirming - I'm very happy with what I posted regarding the film industry/established global talent/promising UK talent.

*I’m a remainer and honestly, financially we’re comfortable; we aren’t going to struggle whatever happens and our kids will likely be fine too.

It’s the poor working classes who largely voted for Brexit who are going to struggle. It’s going to be really tough for them. Not good.*

Sorry to burst your little bullshit bubble with inconvenient fact. I know a lot of working class people and almost all of them voted remain. The poor inner cities voted remain. Carry on peddling your myth so that the poor get blamed and punished for this though, the mainstream media is on your side.

@Clavinova - yeah, you’re squirming.

Look at this wonderful Brexitty news about new film studios

It’s nothing to do with Brexit.

It ties in with the new Global Talent Visa

No it doesn’t.

Well we can use our own home grown talent then

It is fact that immigrants contribute more to the UK than they take out.

You might want to consider the hows and whys of this.

A substantial proportion of the benefits are because immigrants have not had to be educated and trained here, or raise a family. Many do not have long term commitments and are taking money back to areas that are cheaper to live in.

Indigenous natives do not have these benefits - they need to be educated and trained, fed and housed well enough and with enough security to live their lives here.

The "immigration is good for the economy" message is not at all contradictory to the lower class experience of it, as some seem to think. It's two sides of the same coin: the middle and upper class side. Start listening to the indigenous population.

Start listening to the indigenous population

Which indigenous population would that be? Those whose families arrived in last century? Those whose families arrived 200 years ago? Where does indigenous begin?

HenHarrier
It ties in with the new Global Talent Visa

Where have I posted that?

This is silly but if we must:

Me: "Here's some Brexity good news I missed last week" - new film studio - no mention of Global Talent Visa.

07.26 jasjas1973 "This welcome investment is not as a result of Brexit." [cancer hub]

07.27 LaurieMarlow "Why would that have not happened without Brexit?" [film studio]

Me - answering both questions in one post but with a clear division and use of bold text:

Film studio; "the British government has been working with Blackhall Studios over the last year to help secure a site."

Cancer hub: My link to the Science Media Centre and Global Talent Visa.

LaurieMarlow: "So not dependent on Brexit then."

I assumed [perhaps wrongly] that she was commenting on both the film studio and the cancer hub.

Me: "It sounds to me as though the government had an active role in the film studio negotiations because of Brexit and the new Global Talent Visa has been introduced because of Brexit."

You - discovering the link [which I had missed] between the Global Talent Visa and the film industry - a happy coincidence for me. As far as I'm concerned, new visas for 'established and exceptional global talent' in the film industry, a new multi million pound film studio and 'investment in jobs, training and the creative arts' for 'promising' but not yet established UK talent is a win win situation. I can't understand what your point is.

Stop trying to be so disingenuous. We have never had such a flood of immigrants as we have since Blair opened the gates. We do not have the infrastructure to support such an influx. We now have a shortfall of a million homes, and if we build those then we lose agricultural land thatis needed to feed us.

Or rather, when we did have such huge influxes of population, in post-Roman times, in Viking times, in Norman times, we call it for what it was: local socioeconomic collapses and invasions.

We also call it by various names that are now considered to be unpleasant when Britain (the higher classes of it at least) did the same thing to other nations: colonialism, imperialism. Someone has just posted on a related thread about how local natives attacked and overthrew invaders and are considered freedom fighters or terrorists depending on which side won and who wrote the histories. "Racism" surprisingly was not mentioned. It's only mentioned in the context of every attempt of the local indigenous populations of Britain trying to tell the rich classes that this island is overpopulated and does not have the resources to support the populations of the entire world. Why is that?

every attempt, no matter how peaceful, polite, or civil, however considerate of the delicate egos of the rich classes.

I couldn't vote due to personal circumstances at the time, really regretted this as I would have voted remain with no doubts. I am more convinced by leave as it has played out. I also believe in democracy, that's the vote and we must accept it and now work together to make the best of it. It is downright rude to say that people didn't understand what they were voting for etc.

The EU has been brilliant for us particularly all the rights we have in the workplace which I am afraid will be diluted post Brexit. I felt that staying in would mean economic stability so I was very pro remain as I care about my job. That said, despite all the good I saw in Europe, I did also see some downsides.

I feel like we were never wholeheartedly in - why were we always pushing against EU progress? We never embraced fully the treaties as they came along. Why don't we have the Euro for example? And as poorer countries join, the richer countries get bogged down subsidising them. Not all the EU countries and particularly those who joined recently or want to join have similar values to us...so it would take a long time for the EU to build a true union with the UK feeling a part of it. Now that we are in the transition period the world hasn't fallen apart. I am hopeful that the UK will do okay.

Cheers to the calm, cool & collected Clavinova for the link. Oh, and Yes.

I firmly believe Brexit will increase immigration. People might come from places other than Europe but trade deals = visas at the end of the day, India for one has made that very clear.

@Clavinova

Yes, this is getting tedious. If you are replying to separate points then try using separate sentences or even paragraphs.

And there is no “link” between the Global Talent Visa and the film/TV industry and there no “new visas” as it only continues the existing Tier 1 Exceptional Talent visa conditions.

My “issue” is the constant spin on everything being all so marvellous and all due to Brexit. It really isn’t, and the constant tenuous “links” are tedious. Planning for the London Cancer Hub predates the Brexit vote so is not in any way some Brexit bonus.

Funny how the Government hasn’t trumpeted the Sky Elstree extension, which will generate 2000 jobs. Maybe just not Brexitty enough?

Thanks Boris ! Looks like time to start planning for a no deal and the disaster to businesses and in particular manufacturers working in JIT supply chain.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/868874/The_Future_Relationship_with_the_EU.pdf

The EU has been brilliant for us particularly all the rights we have in the workplace
Which workplace rights has the EU given us?
I feel like we were never wholeheartedly in - why were we always pushing against EU progress? We never embraced fully the treaties as they came along. Why don't we have the Euro for example?
I think this is true - although one thing that is often overlooked is that other countries either opt out or (more commonly) ignore or game the provisions that don't suit them. But we should have been all or nothing rather than the half-hearted version we always pursued.

Which workplace rights has the EU given us?

Most of the discrimination law, equal pay, working time, rights on transfer of undertakings emanate from EU law.

I too voted for remain, but not for the extreme left. I voted for pragmatic economic reasons and have little faith in the British government, either it’s ethics or capabilities. To those who constantly criticise anyone who mentions immigration as anything other than a good though I heave one question and my permitted follow-up .

What is the maximum carrying population you want to see on this island? And what’s your plan for feeding and housing us all?

I still think Brexit is a bad idea. But if anyone watched the recent Ed Balls Euroland prog on tv it seems that the issues and concerns individuals have here are the same all over, it’s just that only our government was stupid enough to have a vote.

I don'y think you care about the answer, you just want to lure a few Leavers on here so you can give them a verbal bashing. After four years its a tad boring, well more than a tad.

don't* Will we ever get edit on here?

Where does clavinova live ? Just wondered.....

@SilverySurfer - I care about answers from any leavers as I want to know why they are destroying the UK economy, my life and that of my friends and family.

I still think Brexit is a terrible idea and will sink the country into a recession that's going to take a long time to recover from. The news that Boris can't even be arsed to negotiate a proper deal and intends to walk away from negotiations with Brussels comes as no surprise at all.

Everyone predicted price increases

Petrol & diesel has reduced

Brexit hasn’t happened yet so you can’t say there won’t be price increases. Increases of fresh food will be significantly with the no deal we are heading for.