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Are you still pro-Brexit?

451 replies

Fatasfooook · 26/02/2020 15:02

Brexit will have soon cost the UK more than all its payments to the EU over the past 47 years put together

www.businessinsider.com/brexit-will-cost-uk-more-than-total-payments-to-eu-2020-1?fbclid=IwAR3E3Xc8p0bgNF06hCJZzr61Ak-6VetNbFv5vrfsV041nPvDZeFSCnjHcdg&r=US&IR=T

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RibenaMonsoon · 26/02/2020 16:51

Yes

FrippEnos · 26/02/2020 16:55

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LoveSatsumas · 26/02/2020 16:57

Yes.

KenDodd · 26/02/2020 16:58

I voted Remain. Every single day I am so glad I did, none of this mess is my fault, leave voters own it.

The Leave voters I know are all still pro Brexit, most of them are massive racists though and any price is worth it to keep immigrants out.

Eve · 26/02/2020 16:58

Never was - and redundancies announced at work due to the consequences - not that leavers will care!

GoatyGoatyMingeMinge · 26/02/2020 16:59

No - it's going to be seen as a big mistake I reckon.

KenDodd · 26/02/2020 17:03

and redundancies announced at work due to the consequences

Shame it's not illegal to put those who voted Leave (and have been vocal about it) at the top of the list for redundancy, after all they 'knew what they voted for' . Really, if they had any decency they would volunteer, they knew there would be a price, they should be willing to pay it themselves.

SpoonBlender · 26/02/2020 17:13

It's nice for the Brexiters that they've got the coronavirus to blame any economic troubles on.

tobee · 26/02/2020 17:18

If people find these threads boring, god knows what possesses then to come on to them.

Waitingforadulthood · 26/02/2020 17:37

Never was and am hating being proven right. I WANT this to work. We're doing it and I'll do my best to make it work and pitch in , be positive etc.

But you can't deny the negative impact so far- My husbands work is in medical research, an industry that will not exist in the U.K. within a very short amount of time. Thankfully he is high up enough to be able to skype and travel, but the redundancy rates in the sector will be huge. And that's just one sector.

With no real tangible benefits to be seen as yet, it's really hard to get behind it, as much as I try

Clavinova · 26/02/2020 18:01

Brexit will have soon cost the UK more than all its payments to the EU over the past 47 years put together

"The method used to calculate this loss is to compare the UK’s GDP growth with that of the G7 average. At first glance this seems fair enough, measure the performance of a rich country against other rich countries."

"But who are those other six countries, and how useful is the comparison? The US, Canada, Japan, Germany, France, Italy."

"The thing about averages is, of course, that they are made up of the individual performances of the components. When we go and look at those countries, we find that the worst performances are among the EU countries (Italy, and latterly Germany), France does better, but – and here’s the key point–it’s the US and Canada driving the average up."

"In fact, the UK is very middle-of-the-road once we dismantle the average.Given the insipid performance of our continental neighbours, the idea that leaving the EU is going to depress growth becomes a little harder to support."

capx.co/has-brexit-really-cost-britain-130bn/

Clavinova · 26/02/2020 18:08

But you can't deny the negative impact so far- My husbands work is in medical research, an industry that will not exist in the U.K. within a very short amount of time.

"UK BIOTECH BOOM: 65% growth in UK biotechnology research and development companies since 2016 as sector attracts record investment."

“While some industries are voicing concerns about the post-Brexit outlook, we’re excited by the opportunity for the UK to become a truly international hub for the healthcare sector with an attractive funding environment for companies from all over the world.”

lifesciences.instinctif.com/news/2019/03/uk-biotech-boom-65-growth-in-uk-biotechnology-research-and-development-companies-since-2016-as-sector-attracts-record-investment

Clavinova · 26/02/2020 18:16

My husbands work is in medical research, an industry that will not exist in the U.K. within a very short amount of time.

"A state-of-the-art new £75m drug discovery centre is scheduled to open at The London Cancer Hub in the first half of 2020."

www.londoncancerhub.org/news/detail/flagship-centre-for-cancer-drug-discovery-to-open-on-site-of-the-london-cancer-hub

AlexaShutUp · 26/02/2020 18:17

Shame it's not illegal to put those who voted Leave (and have been vocal about it) at the top of the list for redundancy, after all they 'knew what they voted for' .

Yep, as someone who has recently been made redundant as a direct result of Brexit, I wholeheartedly agree. I didn't vote for this shit.

arethereanyleftatall · 26/02/2020 18:19

Brilliant @Clavinova

Figmentofmyimagination · 26/02/2020 18:41

Retired people are unlikely to be in line for redundancy any time soon. Just saying.

lovelyupnorth · 26/02/2020 18:46

@NoMorePoliticsPlease

Clearly Farage didn’t agree with you

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36306681

He’d of whinged like Fuck.

lovelyupnorth · 26/02/2020 18:46

The question of a second referendum was raised by Mr Farage in an interview with the Mirror in which he said : "In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it."

Finerumpus · 26/02/2020 19:03

Yes, of course. And no amount of ignorance, name-calling, snobbery, blame shifting or downright hatred will make me regret my vote. Sorry folks, the cat is out of the bag and things are changing.

SchrodingersBox · 26/02/2020 19:08

I voted remain but think I was wrong and should have voted leave (I normally get called a liar on MN when I say this as the only approved change of mind is the other way).

Before the referendum I would have taken this sort of article at face value but now see it for the nonsense it is. It takes a 4 year old forecast figure and attributes all variance to Brexit, ignoring things like the effect of the trade war between the USA and China. It talks about the overall performance of the G7 whilst conveniently not showing how the rest G7 did as individual countries because those that underperformed the UK are all in the EU.

The uncertainty over Brexit undoubtedly had an economic impact especially after the first leave date came and went but if you really want to parcel out blame for that it was the Remoaner establishment that caused that.

To all those people saying that leavers own whatever happens, you are wrong. A soft/ half in/ Norway/ Brexit in name only was very achievable. Gina Miller making parliament vote for article 50. The people marching on the streets, the 6 million signing that petition (didn't you notice you'd lost 10 million compared the referendum?) and any other way that you convinced MPs in the last parliament that could go all out to completely stop Brexit. They're the people that own the version of Brexit we're getting.

HenHarrier · 26/02/2020 19:24

Retired people are unlikely to be in line for redundancy any time soon. Just saying.

Priti Patel will haul the economically inactive retired back into work and then they can be made redundant. Double Brexit Bonus.

KenDodd · 26/02/2020 19:30

SchrodingersBox

So people who voted Remain are to blame for brexit? Is that Brexiteer logic at work?

opticaldelusion · 26/02/2020 19:35

What I find most depressing is that every single thing that goes wrong because of Brexit won't ever be the fault of the people who support it. Food shortages, a damaged economy, medicine shortages, increased costs travelling to Europe, a poor trade deal, shortages of workers in a myriad industries, everything... it will all be the EU's fault.

Come 2021 when we slide into no deal and witness the shite that brings (hopefully not catastrophic but who knows) leavers will still be blaming other people.

NewNameGuy · 26/02/2020 19:35

Yes 100%

Ready for the next countries to leave

CherryPavlova · 26/02/2020 19:36

It’s like standing outside watching your house burn down with your family inside but still thinking that lighting that candle next to the curtain was the right thing to do

This exactly. None so blind as those who don’t open their eyes.