Are you still pro-Brexit?

[Fatasfooook]

Brexit will have soon cost the UK more than all its payments to the EU over the past 47 years put together

www.businessinsider.com/brexit-will-cost-uk-more-than-total-payments-to-eu-2020-1?fbclid=IwAR3E3Xc8p0bgNF06hCJZzr61Ak-6VetNbFv5vrfsV041nPvDZeFSCnjHcdg&r=US&IR=T

Not seeing that at all.

@Clavinova

I prefer this perspective

Very funny.

That looks like shopping for a weather forecast. The weather forecasts all say the weather is going to be shit, so you keep searching different channels and forecasts until (at last!) you find one that says it might not rain, then you stop looking and go with that, convinced the sun will shine.

90% of economists say Brexit will be bad for the economy.

That looks like shopping for a weather forecast. The weather forecasts all say the weather is going to be shit, so you keep searching different channels and forecasts until (at last!) you find one that says it might not rain, then you stop looking and go with that, convinced the sun will shine.

Quite ironice when people share a month old article which everyone is using this as fact:

"That means the British economy is 3% smaller than it MIGHT have been if the UK had not voted to leave the EU."

There is a lot of if's and but's in that article and a lot of people from both sides are squinting to find the best weather report for their side.

Yes

Indeed. If I could, I'd wrap my arms around them and help them to read CBI reports and suchlike.

CBI in 1998;
"CBI urges business to back euro"

"The Director General of the Confederation of British Industry, Adair Turner, has told business leaders not to be swayed by "ill-informed scare stories" and consider the benefits of the European Monetary Union."
"Speaking at a CBI dinner, Mr Turner said there were dangers associated with joining the single European currency, but stressed that overall benefits would far outweigh them."

They got that wrong.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/120407.stm

90% of economists say Brexit will be bad for the economy

That figure seems to relate to a survey from 2016 - onwards and upwards!

160 odd economists said that the Labour Party's last manifesto made sound economic sense.

Where is the funding and investment going to come from to replace that lost to the UK from the EU?

I’m sure they’ll massively appreciate the decrease in tax receipts and the knock effect that had for public services, the NHS and benefits

I'm sure they have already witnessed the deterioration of public services due to so much added pressure, the overstretching of the NHS, the massive rise in the benefits bill (tax credits and LHA alone heavily subsidise unskilled low-wage labour), if they have been alive for more than 20 years. That's probably one of the reasons they voted for Brexit!

So not dependent on Brexit then

You’re right, it was nothing to do with Brexit. Driven by US studios looking for additional UK production space - there has been a lack of UK sites available:

Britain has in recent years faced a production space crunch, leading to plans for new studio complexes, including one from Comcast/NBCUniversal/Sky, and expansion plans for existing facilities

www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/atlantas-blackhall-studios-develop-studio-complex-west-london-1279747

... the new Global Talent Visa has been introduced because of Brexit

This replaces the current Exceptional Talent visa and is split into Exceptional Talent (as now) for current world leaders and Exceptional Promise for those who have the potential to become world leaders.

But ...

Those who work in the film, television, animation, post production and visual effects industries can also apply for Exceptional Talent. These applications are assessed by the Producers' Alliance for Film and Television (PACT) on our behalf. However, you cannot apply for Exceptional Promise if you work in these fields.

www.artscouncil.org.uk/global-talent-visa

Oops.

Good to see such joined up thinking between those pillars of intellect, Lis Truss and Priti Patel.

Where is the funding and investment going to come from to replace that lost to the UK from the EU?

The funding and investment is UK money recycled and sent back to us. Private companies in the EU will still invest in the UK and we may yet join various EU programmes as an associate member. Although I see that the remaining EU member states are arguing about funding;

"25 FEB Science Business: Failure to agree on the EU’s multiannual budget for 2021-2027 will delay the launch of Horizon Europe and the student exchange programme Erasmus, Ursula von der Leyen warned after member states failed to agree on how much they should contribute to the EU purse."

"Charles Michel, president of the European Council said the issue of contributions has become “a very difficult topic, especially after Brexit.”The UK’s departure means member states will have to fill a gap of about €75 billion over the next decade."

sciencebusiness.net/news/eu-budget-delay-leaves-parts-horizon-europe-limbo

There will never be the level of funding to replace the benefits from being in the EU.

EU companies will first support the EU rather than UK.

"I want the leavers to own it."
Does anyone other than teenagers actually say this?

It was a vote. We voted.

Do you instruct people to "own" all the consequences of voting for the party they voted for?

It must be so lovely to be so sure you are correct about everything.

Brexit is the doorway and we've come through it.

The promises made in the referendum like easy trade deal, better for farmers, £250m a week more money for nhs, no impact on Eu citizens here etc, haven't come true.

They would never have won the referendum if people knew how it'd turn out. (Or if they hadn't cheated/taken Russian help, but that's another story).

We need to prepare for what's next. Which is disaster capitalism and an assault on the nhs, workers rights, pensions, you name it - they're coming for the welfare state and they want to let US corporations roll in and fleece us.

The politicians behind brexit never gave a shit about sovereignty, immigration etc. It's always been about making more money for the super rich and destroying the welfare state. Brexit is just the pretext.

Mother trucker I'm sure they have already witnessed the deterioration of public services due to so much added pressure, the overstretching of the NHS, the massive rise in the benefits bill (tax credits and LHA alone heavily subsidise unskilled low-wage labour), if they have been alive for more than 20 years. That's probably one of the reasons they voted for Brexit!

Immigrants put more in than they take out. That's the fact. EU migrants tend to be young, healthy and go back before they get old and sick.

Politicians choose nhs funding and benefits system, don't blame it on migrants.

Plus there will be many more immigrants under any trade deal we do with the likes of China or India. And they probably won't ever go back.

However, you cannot apply for Exceptional Promise if you work in these fields.Oops.Good to see such joined up thinking between those pillars of intellect

The joined up thinking seems to be "investment in jobs, training and the creative arts" for promising UK talent - we have enough young people studying film/media/production/animation at college/uni - why block off their route to a promising career? Established [exceptional] talent in this area fair enough.

"We are very excited about the prospect of investing in the U.K. creative industries as one of the most vibrant markets in the world. We hope that the site at Thames Valley Science Park will be the start of a series of investments in the U.K., which will see investment in jobs, training and the creative arts across a range of disciplines."

@Clavinova

But you specifically linked the new Global Talent visa with the studio expansions and Brexit:

It sounds to me as though the government had an active role in the film studio negotiations because of Brexit and the new Global Talent Visa has been introduced because of Brexit

The new Global Talent Visa changes nothing.

Private companies in the EU will still invest in the UK and we may yet join various EU programmes as an associate member

More cake and eat it too, eh Clavinova?

we have enough young people studying film/media/production/animation at college/uni - why block off their route to a promising career?

Then let’s not launch them into the jobs market with £50k of debt?

Immigrants put more in than they take out.That's the fact

Actually it's not a fact - it's an estimate - much of the data needed isn't collected at source;

"Studies consistently find that the net fiscal contribution of the current population of EU-15 migrants (those from the older EU member states) is positive, while that of non-EEA migrants is negative. In contrast, the fiscal contribution of EU10 migrants (from post-2004 EU accession states) is contested, with some assumptions giving positive results and others negative results."

"Many of the costs and contributions that need to be included in estimates of the net fiscal impact of migration cannot be calculated directly, because the data do not exist or are not publicly accessible. Researchers estimating fiscal impacts must make a significant number of assumptions, and results tend to change based on these assumptions."

migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-fiscal-impact-of-immigration-in-the-uk/

EU migrants tend to be young, healthy and go back before they get old and sick.

Well I suppose it depends on how much they earn while they are here [and pay in taxes] and how many children they have.

But you specifically linked the new Global Talent visa with the studio expansions and Brexit

Not intentionally - I was answering two different questions - happy coincidence that the Global Talent Visa covered film and science. My link was to the science media centre;

www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-announcement-about-a-new-global-talent-visa-scheme/

There have not been carrots or broccoli in my local supermarket for weeks. When I asked, I was told I needed to be in before midday if I wanted some. Is this the start of the Brexit Diet? I loathe leave voters.

It is fact that immigrants contribute more to the UK than they take out. Over recent years the net contribution has grown. This has been backed up by numerous studies including those by the governments Office for Budget Responsibility and Oxford University.

@Clavinova

Keep squirming - you originally linked the new visa info to the planned Cancer centre and then assumed it would apply equally to the planned studio development.

So I am a remainer and still am.

I don't think its correct to say that most leavers are racist has been mentioned, but people who wanted a better future for themselves and the UK. It was a lie but it seems there is always someone else to blame.
Sadly they were taken in by billionaire media moguls and a decade of austerity. They were fed lies that was aimed at their most basic fears and prejudices.
The media sold the idea that UK were be safer and more prosperous leaving the EU, this is so their owners could carry on enjoying their power and paying no tax. The UK will now need to go cap in hand to get trade deals which they will have to reduce expenses via less regulations and salaries to get. China is in the forefront to develop the UK''s telecommunications network, US wants to sell meat that is considered unsafe to be sold in UK as part of any negotiations.

A lot of the promises made turned out to be false but it seems Leavers do not care and as such even though it will be a steady decline, it will all be blamed on the fault of others.

Immigrants put more in than they take out. That's the fact. EU migrants tend to be young, healthy and go back before they get old and sick.

Nope. There's been a lot of research regarding the economic benefits of immigration, which come to different conclusions. I have seen quite a few which show that actually, most immigration has been financially negative in terms of tax take and cost.

Generally, immigrants from the old EU countries (before 2004 when the A8 Eastern-European countries joined the EU), so places like France, Spain and Germany are net contributors in terms of tax and don't take much out in the form of benefits, healthcare etc.

Immigrants from the A8 accession countries and non-EU countries have been net takers (i.e. take more than they pay in taxes etc) over several decades.

It's definitely not clear cut though.

It is fact that immigrants contribute more to the UK than they take out.

The studies are estimates - who knows if they are right or wrong??
From the link:

"Evidence gaps and limitations"

"Estimates of the fiscal effects of immigration have many limitations.For example, the studies reviewed in this briefing rely primarily on the Labour Force Survey (LFS) to identify the characteristics of migrants and the factors associated with tax contributions (e.g. whether someone is working) and expenditure (e.g. whether some has school-age children).However, the LFS itself has important limitations.It excludes migrants living in communal establishments, and some groups may be underrepresented due to non-response to the survey."

"Another key limitation is that the studies depend on assumptions about how migrants use public services" ... "One difficulty in addressing this point is that there is no systematic collection of the user’s migration status at the point of delivery of many public services."