Are you still pro-Brexit?

[Fatasfooook]

Brexit will have soon cost the UK more than all its payments to the EU over the past 47 years put together

www.businessinsider.com/brexit-will-cost-uk-more-than-total-payments-to-eu-2020-1?fbclid=IwAR3E3Xc8p0bgNF06hCJZzr61Ak-6VetNbFv5vrfsV041nPvDZeFSCnjHcdg&r=US&IR=T

Who is a socialist, I believe

No, you assume. On what grounds I have no idea.

Yes mother exactly.

Did the EU prevent the Government from addressing that issue?

Of course not. And seasonal workers don’t get tax funded benefits and subsidies anyway. There’s so much bollocks on these threads, along with zero knowledge of British history, we’ve always had immigrants, including my great, great grandparents from Ireland 170 years ago who were part of a massive influx at the time.

Who is a socialist, I believe

No, you assume. On what grounds I have no idea.

I am right though, aren’t I?

So anyway, as I said, I thought Remainers liked to pretend that cheap EU labour didn’t drive British wages down or leave British people without jobs?

Which part of

‘Of course it will be expensive! And European labour is cheap so you’ve just scored a spectacular own goal. Next?’

Fits with that view?

British people don’t want to harvest crops, that’s why they’re rotting in the fields. The whole reason we’ve had generations of immigrants is because the indigenous population doesn’t want to do the shitty jobs.

I notice you still haven’t come up with any evidence to support your assumption that I’m a socialist. I wonder why that is?

"Remainers" are not a homogenous group. As it's clear "Leavers" are not. In some ways that is a huge part of the problem. If everyone who voted leave voted for the same version of "Leave" we'd be a lot further down the road by now than we are.

Anyway, there are insufficient people in the UK prepared to do "unskilled" work such as fruit picking. Fruit pickers are entitled to minimum wage. I'd imagine for some in Eastern Europe (where wages are generally less) it is worth coming to the UK for a few months to do the work.

Whether it would be worth it for someone who lived here full time (and who presumably therefore requires an income all year round) is another matter. I suspect for the vast majority it's not.

Whether the minimum wage should be increased is another matter and one that is entirely within the control of our own Government.

Seriously? You want evidence?

How about just answering my question instead of trying to distract people from it?

How about just answering my question instead of trying to distract people from it?

Precisely what I’m asking of you. Why do you think I’m a socialist? Which question would you like answered?

I’d like you to answer the question are you a socialist?

And also the other question which I’ve asked twice now.
And you have so far given a politicians answer to, ie, a vague and indirect one that avoids the main question.

@Clavinova

I think I’ll rely on the NAO report on the nursing figures rather than Hancock’s Tweets.

1.8 Shortages of nursing staff also have an impact on value for money. Our 2020 report on NHS financial sustainability highlighted the continued risk that the NHS will be unable to use the extra funding from the long-term settlement optimally because of staffing shortages and having to use more expensive agency staff to deliver additional services.16 In 2018-19, trusts spent £2.4 billion on agency staff and £3.4 billion on bank staff, which will include nurses.

I’d like you to answer the question are you a socialist?

You don’t need an answer to that. You say I am. I want to know where your evidence is. Because you haven’t got any, have you?

I’m still in the dark about your other question, I’m afraid.

Matt Hancock tweet last week;
"NEWS: figures just out show record numbers of nurses in the NHS - up 8,000 on last year."

Clav! really? i thought better of you! he is just a another lying twisting tory.

Hancock said in a speech this morning that the UK supplies the world with CV testing kits and that UK scientists discovered the covid19 genome....
News to the chinese who released the genome to the world in mid feb and who have been testing people for months before the UK ever did.

ByAlsohuman : obviously the Tories would throw anyone under the bus, I was naive enough to think the Labour Party I've always voted for wouldn't.

poster Alsohuman Thu 19-Dec-19 12:10:48
I’ve voted Labour at every election since I was eligible to vote. This time and last I had to hold my nose because of Corbyn and his acolytes.

By Alsohuman : A lot of Labour voters, including me

Here is my evidence. So I assumed right. God knows why you felt the need to make me do that when it was obvious all along. 🤷‍♀️

As for being ‘in the dark’ about my other question, how convenient that you pretend not to understand it.

Well done, I knew we’d get there in the end. Now, what’s your other question?

BuT since I was forced to go looking for evidence, I can’t help giving this little gem another airing:

How big is the Labour landslide going to be?

About as big as the Tory landslide. Anyone remotely in touch with reality knows the results will be a tiny Tory majority or a hung Parliament.

jasjas1973
Transcript of the speech here;

www.gov.uk/government/speeches/coronavirus-shows-that-health-and-work-are-inextricably-linked

And that brings me to the third phase which is research.

Research been ongoing ever since the moment COVID-19 was identified at the end of last year.

We have some of the finest scientific minds in the world working day and night on a vaccine.

But we do not think a vaccine will be available in the coming months.

And just as important, is research to understand what currently available drugs and treatments might help those who are already sick.

I’m incredibly proud of the team at Public Health England who were among the first to sequence the genome of the virus.

And that British businesses like Oxford Nanopore are providing the testing kits used around the world.

News to the chinese who released the genome to the world in mid feb

4th February 2020:

"Scientists at Public Health England (PHE) have fully sequenced the novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) viral genome."

www.gov.uk/government/news/phe-reaches-crucial-step-in-fully-sequencing-novel-coronavirus

Well done, I knew we’d get there in the end

We both know I was there in the beginning. But I’m loving the way you are trying to act like you’ve somehow scored a point somewhere.

Anyway, maybe now you will answer my question in a straightforward way. How is acknowledging that EU labour is cheap compatible with the insistence that a constant supply of EU labour from poorer countries does not drive down UK wages?

How is acknowledging that EU labour is cheap compatible with the insistence that a constant supply of EU labour from poorer countries does not drive down UK wages?

Because they do work the indigenous population doesn’t want which is why crops are rotting in the fields. I think I’ve said this three times now.

That doesn’t answer the question AT ALL.

It does. You just don’t like the answer.

we’ve always had immigrants, including my great, great grandparents from Ireland 170 years ago who were part of a massive influx at the time.

Yes, as I said, mostly homogenous people from similar cultural and ethnic backgrounds.

I grew up in London in the 1970s and 1980s. Even then it was very homogenous. Most of the people in my class were white working class (they are hardly any left in the area now). There was one black kid in my class and one Jewish kid and this was in a part of London that was considered diverse even then. I hate this re-writing of history as though people who have lived in this country for decades are supposed to pretend that London was always as multicultural as is now. It wasn't.

Cav

www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/events-as-they-happen

China makes genome sequencing of novel coronavirus publicly available
12 January 2020

China shares the genetic sequence of the novel coronavirus, which will be very important for other countries as they develop specific diagnostic kits

Hancock was at best disingenuous, 3 weeks isn't amongst the first is it?

@mothertruck3r so where are you anticipating people will immigrate from now to allow us to be more "homogeneous" as per the olden days?

On the basis that we all accept there MUST be some immigration into the UK and those trade deals that have started (for example those with India) require the UK to offer visas I'm expecting a significant increase in immigration following Brexit from a huge variety of countries.