Are you still pro-Brexit?

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Brexit will have soon cost the UK more than all its payments to the EU over the past 47 years put together

www.businessinsider.com/brexit-will-cost-uk-more-than-total-payments-to-eu-2020-1?fbclid=IwAR3E3Xc8p0bgNF06hCJZzr61Ak-6VetNbFv5vrfsV041nPvDZeFSCnjHcdg&r=US&IR=T

Quite

Years ago - hundreds - kids helped with harvesting. It’s why the school year is the way it is. They’re also the only people who don’t have to worry about not getting a wage for the rest of the year

My brother at 13 did this (10p an hour) in 1976 he got heat stroke and almost died, was found passed out under a trailer.

Yep lets go back to the days of child exploitation Brexit Fuckin Bonus!!!

Its all mechanised now, huge bales of hay, silage or straw.

It’s not all mechanised though. There are farmers not far from here that are facing their crops rotting in the fields because there’s nobody yo harvest them. Before the arrival of Eastern European labourers, there used to be gangs of women who did it, that’s not going to happen again, is it?

@Alsohuman it was my understanding that a significant proportion of the farming community were persuaded to vote leave. Do you have any sense of how the farmers you reference feel about Brexit now? Obviously we don't know how these particular farmers voted of course I'm just interested!

Henharrier, I did realise we could use our veto against joining an EU army. I still don't like the idea of it.
And, although I trust this government not to join one, I don't trust future governments

I don’t know @Sunshinegirl82, but as this is Brexit central, they’re probably saying it’s a price worth paying or blaming the EU.

YES always was and always will be...look at the way the EU treated us throughout the process and still are trying to bully us. Thank God we managed to get out.

It’s fruit that’s the problem, there’s never been a good mechanical way for harvesting soft fruits. Nor is there any likelihood that there ever will be, its just the nature of those crops. And a few other specific crops. I wasn’t necessarily suggesting primary child age exploitation of the type you describe, merely responding to the query of ‘who did it’, jasjas, but there might be some possibility of getting 6th formers and uni students to help in a crisis. Maybe.

@yellowhammers I don't have particularly strong feelings about an EU Army either way. That said, if I was very against it I would definitely have wanted us to remain in the EU. As I see it, as things stand if an EU Army were to be formed we would either:

1. have a large military force on our doorstep that we have no say in or control over that will not seek to protect or benefit us.

Or

2. if we want to obtain the benefit of some sort of protection or assistance from that military force we would have to be a kind of associate member without any influence whatsoever.

Our best bet to have control over the future or otherwise of an EU Army was from inside the EU.

Never was, never will be. There will be many more "Colin from Twitter" in the future months, and even more so when the transition period ends.

Our best bet to have control over the future or otherwise of an EU Army was from inside the EU. As with everything! I agree with the rest too. The rest of EU on our doorstep as an enemy just does not bear thinking about. Well it happened once - the whole point of the EU was that we did not want to see it again!

@alsohuman I wonder where the tipping point sits. Will there ever be anything that isn't a price worth paying for some?

Imagine how it feels to, 4 years later be hearing that people voted leave to avoid an EU Army (among other reasons). Awesome.

Exactly. I see the 'EU are just big bullies' argument has been trotted out too.

I’ve said this before but I think it’s become such a cult that there won’t be a tipping point. They’ll find something else to blame whatever happens. First the EU, now corona virus has handily come along, once that’s gone there will be something else.

Brexit will forever be fabulous until we get a new government with some guts and common sense and the question is asked again. Unfortunately I don’t expect that to happen in my life time.

@yellowhammers

Oh, it was more than just “our veto” required. Any one of the EU28 (now EU27) could veto and it wouldn’t go ahead. And even if no country vetoed it, each country would then have to ratify the decision according to its own constitutional requirements.

I do wonder if we've fallen into a difficult place from a psychological perspective. No-one likes changing their mind, particularly if the original choice has caused damage to themselves or others. Hence the need for it to actually be someone else's fault all along.

If Brexit fails I suspect there will be huge resistance from those that voted leave to acknowledge any negative consequences. Most people who voted leave did so thinking it was for the best, to have to accept that not only did it not help the majority but actively harmed them will be very difficult to come to terms with.

Obviously if Brexit is successful then there won't be an issue.

Back to the gamble point I suppose!

Going back to the 'who picked the crops in the past' stuff. Why are Brexit fans always so keen on going back to the past? The poster who said it was often gypsies is correct. My grandfather was a gypsy. He was born in a field in Surrey. His family moved all around the south east from Dorset to Kent, going wherever there was work. Mostly they worked in agriculture, but occasionally in other trades, including building, although it was difficult to get employment in that area. For some of the year, there was no work whatsoever. Their life expectancy was very poor, and they had severely limited access to healthcare and education. His sister died from appendicitis. His mother died in a shack in a hop field birthing her 6th child at the age of 32. Those were the days.

Yet they claim remainers are stuck in the past. They expect altruistic friends to just materialise out of the brickwork, with no give-and-take. The narrative of the EU as playground bullies has done its work. Who do they want as allies, the US in almost open civil war with its own poorer groups, expansionist Russia or state controlled China? How do they not realise that we’ve swapped negotiated cooperation for a world of “big bullies” all of whom are bigger than we are, for all of whom our function will be to ask “how high” as we jump, with no ‘payment’? Well played our own oligarchy indeed.

Oh what fun, we might need a visa to go to Gibraltar.

And suggested that we get rid of the working time directive. Didn't take long.

YES always was and always will be...look at the way the EU treated us throughout the process and still are trying to bully us. Thank God we managed to get out.

Perfect example. always will be

Nothing will make them reconsider. If we have a full scale return to the troubles in NI, they will never consider how we ripped up the peace, they will just hate the EU even more (see above 'bullying'). I don't imagine I will ever understand their reasoning but I do see that they will never be moved.

I don't imagine I will ever understand their reasoning

It isn't reasoning! It's an irrational conviction.

It’s fruit that’s the problem, there’s never been a good mechanical way for harvesting soft fruits. Nor is there any likelihood that there ever will be...

"A prototype raspberry-picking robot successfully completed two field trials last year [2019] in collaboration with Hall Hunter Partnership - one of the UK's leading soft fruit growers"

www.freshplaza.com/article/9180193/fieldwork-raises-ps0-3-mln-for-fruit-picking-robot/

Currently, it takes an estimated time of one minute to harvest a berry.

Seems Robocrop needs a bit more work after the 2019 proof of concept trials ...

z6mag.com/2019/06/04/robocrop-the-first-raspberry-picking-robot/

Yes,those poor refugees....will Europe help....nope. But they expect us too!

Currently, it takes an estimated time of one minute to harvest a berry.

The full paragraph in your link reads;

"Currently, it takes an estimated time of one minute to harvest a berry. But according to its inventors, when operating at full capacity, the robot’s gripper can pick a raspberry in 10 seconds or less.Then, it drops it in a tray where the berry is sorted by maturity before it is delivered to the supermarkets."

"Robocrop is expected to be more efficient than its human counterparts; 15,000 berries can be picked by humans for a day (eight-hour shift). However, the robot built by Fieldwork Robotics can pick more than 25,000 raspberries a day. Also, robots don’t get tired and can pick berries for 20 hours daily."

Clearly it won't be ready next week or even next year, but in 2 or 3 years' time perhaps.